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Dow falls more than 600 points; markets in free-fall
msn.com ^ | 10/09-2008 | By Charley Blaine and Elizabeth Strott

Posted on 10/09/2008 12:59:03 PM PDT by Red Badger

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To: CRBDeuce
That guy, Mark Haynes or whatever.......He reminds me of the robot on Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy who was always sssooooooooooo depressed he made everyone around him depressed to death as they commit ed suicide while listening to him.

It's just awful! But I can't get FOX Business so It's Bloomberg and CNBC.

421 posted on 10/13/2008 5:52:31 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Well....................................That's .....that.........)
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To: JasonC; Scotswife; Carry_Okie
[Stop worrying about punishing wrongdoers and start worrying like a warm place about restoring confidence by giving safety and ending punishments..]
 
A Republic is a system of Government, characterized by the Rule of Law.  When the Law Rules, that means people who break it get punished. If people are not punished, then there is no Republic.
 
Why so "punishment averse" Jason?  Is there a cookie jar somewhere with your fingerprints in it?
 
 
[Or you can punish as much as you like, straight to the poorhouse]
 
Quack quack, waddle waddle:  Extortion.
 
"Give us you money or vee burn down de store"
 
Comrade Jason also wants folks to believe socialism is always introduced militarily.  Said so specificaly, didn't you Jason?  Care to rephrase?
 
 
The 4 step, tried and true, formula for Marxist/Leninist subversion of a society:
1. Demoralization
2. Destabilization
3. Crisis
4. Normalization
Comrade Jason refuses to admit the Rainbow Left hijacked his precious Golden Calf, melted it down, and turned it into a spear that is being thrust into the heart of the American Ideal; the Ideal that it is the sovereign individual, not the collective, that is endowed with inalienable rights.
 
Nothing new, the struggle between the individual and the collective far predates the 1600's - when, per Jason himself, the foundation of the modern Financial alter he worships at was built.
 
What would Tsvi do, Jason?
 
 
I know blah blah blah "Populist Ideological Luddite" blah blah.
 
Got Dialectics?
 

422 posted on 10/14/2008 12:05:52 PM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: Khepri

I’m not an expert but I asked someone the other day who was buying and was told the companies that issue the stock must buy it back when it’s offered.


423 posted on 10/14/2008 12:27:30 PM PDT by Terry Mross (O)
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To: Terry Mross

Ah, thanks....that helps clear it up a tad...


424 posted on 10/14/2008 1:08:22 PM PDT by Khepri (It's the audacity, stupid!)
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To: Terry Mross
Um no, sorry, not remotely.

Open ended mutual funds fit that description, but not stocks in operating companies themselves. Such funds own shares of operating companies and sell said shares if their own investors present mutual fund shares for redemption, but in that they are simply middlemen. They do what their customers do.

425 posted on 10/14/2008 2:03:46 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC

Okay, then explain to me who is doing the buying? If a stock is tanking why would anyone buy it? It seems to me someone is forced to buy it otherwise the market would shut down ‘cause people would say “I’m not buying until it gets even lower.” Like I said, please explain to this dummy.


426 posted on 10/14/2008 2:06:01 PM PDT by Terry Mross (O)
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To: Terry Mross
Um, because low prices mean the same number of dollars buy more shares. Do you think the amount of money a company is actually going to earn in the future depends on momentary panic? It doesn't. A stockholder owns his share of the future earnings stream of the actual operating company. He isn't just playing poker with other investors on a one week time frame. The lower the price, the more of the company you get for your money. Why do people buy more of anything when it is cheaper? Because they get more bang for the buck.

As for who is buying this instant, though, first off the governments are, obviously, and second lots of people who think the government's intervention means stocks that looked too risky last week aren't so risky anymore. If Royal Bank of Scotland and Morgan Stanley were about to go bankrupt and stick everyone else with lots of losses on bad debts, you are in one world. If they aren't going to go bankrupt and any debts they've contracted as money-good, you are in another world. Both were on the ropes, and between them they have $4.3 trillion in debts, and both are out of danger on the government actions.

So, for example, an index of the preferred stocks of financial companies that was yielding 16% on Friday and selling at 40 cents on the dollar of its original issued price, today is yielding 11% at 57 cents on the dollar of its original price, having jumped 40% in just 2 days. Clearly it was a screaming buy when people were dumping it as likely to be wiped out by bankruptcies of large banks, that just are not going to happen.

Does that help? Or are you still under the impression that anything moving upward over the last week is worth infinity, and anything moving downward is worth zero? These are real companies, not poker chips. They pay their investors. The lower the price, the higher the future return, and vice versa.

427 posted on 10/14/2008 3:38:10 PM PDT by JasonC
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