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CRAZY MCCAIN AND HIS MORTGAGE DEAL
boblonsberry.com ^ | 10/09/08 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 10/09/2008 8:40:19 AM PDT by shortstop

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To: shortstop
Those of you that were part of the discussion on Tuesday night about this plan, I was defending the idea that banks would be required to refinance home loans for FMV to buyers who can afford a new, lower principal loan. The lender would save money over foreclosing, because in foreclosing they typically discount the price for a quick sale, and they have costs of sale with the real estate broker and carrying costs--the loss of income for 3 months or more on a non-performing loan. Plus, if the home sits empty, it can get vandalized.

McCain's plan is to have the government buy the loans at full value from the banks and then have the government give the homeowner a new loan at a lower principal. The government absorbs all the loss instead of the lender that made the bad loan. That is stupid, and unfair to America's taxpayers.

41 posted on 10/09/2008 9:20:49 AM PDT by Defiant (With Barney Frank, a reach across the aisle just becomes a reach-around.)
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To: shhrubbery!
IIRC that bill provided for judges to "renegotiate" mortgages ... pretty shocking - and, I would think, unconstitutional.

And exactly why the credit markets froze completely after the bill was signed. Who would lend anyone money knowing that some judge, or some member of the treasury department, can come in and arbitrarily change the amount owed AFTER the money is lent?

The key to unfreezing the credit markets is to go back to the rule of law - government enforcing legal contracts, not government stepping in and changing the terms of legal contracts. The firm foundation of capitalism is government protection of the right to own property (in this case cash), so everyone knows what the rules are and what to expect. Since the government is abrogating that responsibility, no one knows what to expect, so they fear doing anything.

42 posted on 10/09/2008 9:22:02 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS has unintended consequences...)
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To: shortstop
"But wait, there’s more."

Yep, it was like sen McAmnesty was trying to sell us a set of Popeil Kitchen Knives -- "But wait, there’s more."
43 posted on 10/09/2008 9:22:16 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: shortstop
I figured out how to make up the differences in the mortgage amounts McCain wants to “help” with. Obviously the seller was motivated by greed and the desire to profit of of the new owner.

In the name of fairness, charge the seller a windfall profits tax, equal to the amount the new buyer was cruelly gouged and taken for. Use the revenue from the windfall profit tax to reduce the debt of the struggling home owner. Simple effective and fair.

44 posted on 10/09/2008 9:24:20 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: maine-iac7

What’s the difference between someone not voting, or someone unable to vote? I may get hit by a bus on the way to vote, so should I not be able to complain about who others have elected? Besides, there’s a chance I may write in Fred T.


45 posted on 10/09/2008 9:25:03 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: xzins
You posted:

I think McCain is onto something.

If we’re going to bail out gamblers and bundlers of mortgages, then why shouldn’t some of that money go to the holders of the mortgage ON THE BASIS of what is best financially in terms of the government spending less money or getting more of its money back.

We’re giving out the money anyway, and McCain attempted to stop the entire bad-loan scheme for the last decade, but he was ignored. Now, the people who approved that scheme are being rewarded in public opinion and the guys who opposed it are being vilified.

Taking over Freddie/Fannie means that the government ALREADY owns (or controls) a lot of these mortgages. If some bank in China bought a security based on mortgages bundled by F/F, and if those mortgages are highly over-valued, then WHO along that entire chain did NOT know they were buying mortgages from a hyper-inflated mortgage market?

I’d say that the one MOST likely not to have known were some young adults getting into their first mortgage.

I would target those who have only ONE house loan in the last decade for help. That would cut out those who were flipping houses in an inflated market.

AMEN

Nice to see that everyone doesn't drink the Kool Aid

46 posted on 10/09/2008 9:25:48 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: bicyclerepair

I will reserve judgement on her until after she’s been in DC for a few years.


47 posted on 10/09/2008 9:26:04 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr
What’s the difference between someone not voting, or someone unable to vote?

well, duh - one is a voluntary choice, one is not.

If you can't understand that simple concept - no other explanations will be understood by you.

48 posted on 10/09/2008 9:29:29 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: Sunnyflorida
Bite me. The smoke and mirrors are not going to reinflate the bubble, so the sophisticated investors can back out of their sophisticated deals, the bundled montages.
49 posted on 10/09/2008 9:31:08 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: All

I have already voted. Absentee Ballot. For Chuck Baldwin


50 posted on 10/09/2008 9:31:27 AM PDT by 09Patriot
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To: shortstop

Actually I feel sorry for Sarah. How in good conconice we can vote for her after she worked for Mccain for 4 or 8 years. You he will trot her out when we complain. Trot her out to sale his socialism.


51 posted on 10/09/2008 9:33:33 AM PDT by 09Patriot
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To: adorno
That would, when the house is sold, be a boost for the economy.

Hey, you're on to something there. Let's see. The govt. takes my money (because I'm paying my mortgage) and gives it a guy who scammed the system in the form of equity. He sells the house and takes the equity (my money) and spends it on bling, I-phones, etc. The economy jumps and well, I, and the other millions that supplied the money for this will just go under because of ridiculously high taxes. And then the cycle can start all over again.

I hope you're following this closely!

Then, before you know we'll all be rich with equity once again.

Have you ever heard of a pyramid scheme?

52 posted on 10/09/2008 9:34:25 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: shortstop

This is rediculous!.....I’m only voting for him because it’s an anti-Obama vote. He’s nuts!


53 posted on 10/09/2008 9:35:28 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: shortstop

You have to vote for McCain if only to block the judicial appointments whacko Barry would make....


54 posted on 10/09/2008 9:37:34 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: VaRepublican
Roger that, if not for Sarah then I would not even be voting for pres. Of course I’ll do what I can in my state politics but J McCain is still not the answer.

Lucky you, I didn't even have that option,the spineless republicans are letting a seat go to the senate and congress. it is just the dems vs the greens. I voted dem for senator because he isn't too bad. I wanted to kick out the representive so I voted for the green.

55 posted on 10/09/2008 9:38:25 AM PDT by 09Patriot
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To: xzins; shortstop
If we’re going to bail out gamblers and bundlers of mortgages, then why shouldn’t some of that money go to the holders of the mortgage

We cannot allow the principal to be renegotiated in order to keep people in their homes. If they paid $300,000 for a house, then they took the risk that it could someday be worth less than that.

To allow them to renegotiate the principal down to $150,000 is to give them $150,000 of my money and your money. They should renegotiate the terms of the loans so that they can make the payments, but we cannot allow the principal to be reduced. If it requires 0% interest loans or negative amortization loans, I can live with that.

But if you allow them to renegotiate the principal, then not only are you giving them money now, but these people will be the biggest winners when the market turns around. I'm sitting in my $450,000 house that is now worth about $300,000 and when the market turns around and my house is once again worth $450,000, then I've only broken even.

But the guy who gets his principal reduced not only gets to live in the house for 10 years and pay a lower payment than everyone else, but when his house is worth $300,000 again, he has made $150,000 while I've only broken even.

This idea is beyond foolish.

Sorry x, we usually agree, but not on this one.

56 posted on 10/09/2008 9:39:27 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins
I disagree. I think McCain is onto something.

right there is why I dont fear an Obama presidency, we might rise up against. WIth mccain, you guys will go along and find something positive.

57 posted on 10/09/2008 9:45:14 AM PDT by 09Patriot
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

haha, you think he will nominate a conservative. remeber he likes to reach across the aisle!


58 posted on 10/09/2008 9:47:30 AM PDT by 09Patriot
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To: P-Marlowe

I wish people would think of a house as a place to live instead of a money vehicle. I was smart enough to get a fixed mortgage at 28 for 39k, yeah they said I could afford a 75k-100k. I really didnt see how, I had lots of tough times too. 5 years later I refyed from 8.5 to 5.6 change the term from 30 to 15 without increasing my payments. it is awesome. I have probably done 20k of work on the home in the 10 years I have owned it it probably still isnt worth a dime over 39k. AND I DONT CARE. I bought it to LIVE IN!


59 posted on 10/09/2008 9:52:24 AM PDT by 09Patriot
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To: OldNavyVet

Correction ... According to the IRS webaite at ...

http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=179073,00.html

... things have changed.

As of 2007 — in most cases — mortgage relief is probably not taxable.


60 posted on 10/09/2008 9:54:59 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (... Character counts ... Far more so than experience.)
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