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To: HollyButler

The number sounds quite high to me. That would be one fraudulently obtained mortgage for a little over every two illegal immigrants.


3 posted on 10/07/2008 6:57:32 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Sherman Logan

You really think there are only 10 million illegals?


4 posted on 10/07/2008 6:58:43 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The LA Times, 10/6/08, was told to cut "75 editorial positions." How many are needed for 2 pages?)
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To: Sherman Logan

The people who are doing this a buying more than one home, just like the illegal in the article. Also, there are far more than 10 million illegals in this country.


8 posted on 10/07/2008 7:01:55 PM PDT by detective
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To: Sherman Logan

There are well over 20 million illegals. The numbers sound fine to me, especially considering simple concepts like “identity theft” and “multiple purchases.”


11 posted on 10/07/2008 7:03:31 PM PDT by Terpfen (To all you knee-jerkers: remember Rick Santorum.)
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To: Sherman Logan
That would be one fraudulently obtained mortgage for a little over every two illegal immigrants.

Are you still buying into the fiction that there are "only" 12,000,000 illegal aliens in the U.S.?

If the government ever allowed it, it could easily be between twice and three times that number (depending on how you classify "anchor babies").

I know. PC and fear may never allow the true number to be known.

We whistle past the graveyard and allow criminal incompetence by our Congress at our peril.

14 posted on 10/07/2008 7:05:31 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Try one mortgage for every 4 IAs in this country. And remember and kids they have here are not considered IA.AWB


16 posted on 10/07/2008 7:11:46 PM PDT by Americanwolfsbrother (Its not whether you get knocked down but whether you get back up. Vince Lombardi)
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To: Sherman Logan

But we don’t have an illegal problem. /sarc


21 posted on 10/07/2008 7:16:13 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Sherman Logan

What are you smoking?


25 posted on 10/07/2008 7:32:42 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: Sherman Logan
The number sounds quite high to me. That would be one fraudulently obtained mortgage for a little over every two illegal immigrants.

Only if you believe the ridiculously low estimate of 10 million Illegal Aliens being in the US.

I'd say the number is closer to 30 million.
41 posted on 10/07/2008 8:09:50 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Sherman Logan
http://immigrationcounters.com/

One of the best sites on illegal aliens, (People
who overstay their visas or just INVADE).

54 posted on 10/08/2008 10:19:05 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama and ITS thugs are made paranoid by Sarahnoia. (stole from molly_jack2007))
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To: Sherman Logan

In January 2006 (IIRC) Ted Kennedy himself said 20 million were here. Since he is a consumate liar I put the number at 30 million minimum back then and they have continued to pour across the border. Try and keep up. ;*)


63 posted on 10/08/2008 10:51:22 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Sherman Logan
There's more illegals here...than anyone is talking about.

I guess twice..to three times as many as "officially" reported.

70 posted on 10/08/2008 11:12:08 AM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Sherman Logan; HollyButler; BGHater; ConservativeMind; DemonDeac; Frantzie; detective; sasafras; ...
Husband And Wife Plead Guilty To Massive Florida Straw Buyer Scheme ("God's children" living the American Dream (/sarc)

Staff Reporter, 06/02/08

Juan and Rachael Torrens pled guilty to conspiracy charges in connection with their participation in a recent multi-million dollar mortgage fraud scheme in South Florida. The defendants acknowledged as part of their guilty plea that their scheme produced over $15,000,000 in fraudulent loans, and resulted in losses of over $5,000,000 to various lenders. With Juan and Rachael Torrens‘ guilty pleas, 15 of the original 31 defendants charged have pled guilty.

As previously reported by Mortgage Fraud Blog, defendants Juan Torrens, the de facto owner of Amsouth Trust & Investment Corp. (”Amsouth”) and president of Countryside Land & Development, Inc., Rachael Torrens, president of 1st Choice Realty of South Florida, Inc. and de facto owner of First United Mortgage USA Corp., Daniel Ramos, Alfonso A. Muxo, a State of Florida certified real estate appraiser and owner of Palm Bay Real Estate Appraisals, Inc., and Katherine Harris, former president and part owner of Floridian Home Title Corporation, were charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and/or wire fraud for their participation in this massive mortgage fraud scheme.

The scheme involved fraudulent mortgage loans obtained for the purchase of 28 properties located in Miami-Dade and Broward Counties, Florida, and in the City of Marco Island. All except Katherine Harris have already pled guilty, and are awaiting sentence.

The Indictment also charges defendants Mario E. Diaz, Aurelio Pozo, Oscar Barreiro, Lellany Rordriguez, Jose Asensi, Carlos Morales, Damaris Jimenez, Lizabeth Perez, Mario Blanco, Rene Rodriguez, Tamaris Angulo, Alicia Loaiza, Ester Crespo, Jesus Enrique Guevara, Janette Lugo, Priscilla Fleitas, Erick Clavijo, Luis DeJesus Planas, Moises Llorens, Milva Roque, Aurora Ramentol, Gladys Lens, Nancy Fundora, Yanny Cruz Pavon, Roger Rosario and Jacqueline Perez-Castillo ("the straw buyer defendants") with wire fraud for their participation in this mortgage fraud scheme. To date, guilty pleas have been entered by defendants Aurelio Pozo, Oscar Barreiro, Carlos Morales, Damaris Jimenez, Mario Blanco, Jesus Enrique Guevara, Janette Lugo, Priscilla Fleitas, Moises Llorens, Gladys Lens, and Roger Rosario.

According to the Indictment, Juan Torrens would identify sellers of residential properties who were willing to overstate the true selling price of their properties. Daniel Ramos and Juan Torrens would then recruit and pay the straw buyer defendants to pose as buyers and ostensibly participate in the purchase of the selected properties. Defendants Rachael Torrens and Juan Torrens would prepare fraudulent mortgage loan applications for the straw purchasers that included false employment verifications, pay stubs, income and funds on deposit, and IRS Forms W-2.

Thereafter, to support the overstated sales prices on the properties and the fraudulent mortgage applications, defendant Alonso A. Muxo would prepare fraudulent appraisals attesting to the inflated property values dictated by Juan Torrens. Roger Rosario, an employee of Regions Bank, assisted the fraud by providing, on at least one occasion, a fraudulent verification of deposit in connection with a mortgage loan application for one of the straw buyer defendants.

To effectuate the scheme, defendants Juan Torrens and Rachael Torrens, together with the straw buyer defendants, would create and submit to the banks and lending institutions HUD-Settlement Statement Forms, also known as HUD-1s, which falsely stated that the straw buyers brought their own funds to the closings. Once the mortgage applications were approved, the lenders would wire the loan proceeds to the title company, Floridian Home Title, for closing. At closing, Amsouth, a company owned and controlled by Juan Torrens, would receive a credit for the difference between the inflated price and the actual selling price of the property. Defendants Juan and Rachael Torrens would make the payments on the mortgage loans to maintain the loans afloat until the properties could be resold again, often to another straw buyer.

When the Torrenses failed to make payments on the loans, some properties went into foreclosure, resulting in substantial losses to the lending institutions.

http://www.mortgagefraudblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/husband_and_wife_plead_guilty_to_massive_florida_straw_buyer_scheme/

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FREEPER DB POSTED Here's what illegals did in my area: Family member buys house and gets teaser loan. Family member sells house to another family member for $50k more. That family member gets teaser loan. That family member sells house to yet another family member for even more again getting a teaser loan. They repeat this multiple times. The last family member defaults on the loan and goes back to Mexico. The other family members walk away with a couple hundred thousand dollars of the banks money through all the repeated selling between family members. No one is accountable. Now repeat this on a broad scale and you can get an idea of what was going on..."

ANOTHER FREEPER POSTED What we have seen in our area is a little less complex: An illegal or legal buys a home. They rent out the garage to 4 or 5 illegals for 3-5 thousand per month. Then, each spare bedroom in the house gets another 2-4 illegals at 2-4 thousand per month. None of this is ever declared as income. The home owners drive Lincoln Navigators and Tundra pickups. Down in E. Contra Costra county, the same thing happens, except the vehicles of choice were Hummers and Escalades.

71 posted on 10/08/2008 11:16:27 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: Sherman Logan

5 million loans to illegals sounds about right to me. Many, many different combinations of illegal buyers.


80 posted on 10/08/2008 12:10:05 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore
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To: Sherman Logan
Many credible sources estimate there are upwards of between 25 and 40 million illegal aliens.

The government has done just as good of job securing our borders and sovereignty as they have the economy.

101 posted on 10/08/2008 4:41:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (We witnessed the biggest expansion of government in American history)
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To: Sherman Logan
That would be one fraudulently obtained mortgage for a little over every two illegal immigrants.

No that would be over 10 MILLION fraudulent mortgages, since there are at LEAST 20 million illegals in the US.
103 posted on 10/08/2008 4:46:01 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Sherman Logan
>>The number sounds quite high to me.”

I was sitting at a stop light a couple of years ago and turned my head to see signs on the side of the intersection that said, “No Documentas, no problemos.”

This was in the Northern Houston area advertising for a home development called Sugarberry Farms.

No documents, no problem!!! My wife and I were stunned. I wanted to get out and pull the sign outta the ground but the ditch was full of water.

I saw the signs a couple of times after, then they disappeared.

Whoever was responsible for closing these loans to illegals should be put in prison.

194 posted on 10/09/2008 11:33:33 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Sherman Logan

The figure was 12-20 million 4 years ago.


196 posted on 10/10/2008 2:08:19 PM PDT by rmlew (NYARLATHOTEP / BIDEN'08 . If you don't believe me check out the first's wikipedia page.)
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