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To: vrwc54
Yes, Ayers is blunter than Obama. As he so delicately told the Times, America makes him “want to puke.” The smoother Obama is content to say our society needs fundamental “change.” But what they’re talking about is not materially different.

There are two fallacies there that add up to a cheap shot.

"Change" isn't necessarily "fundamental change," and saying you want changes in something doesn't mean that it disgusts you.

But if Obama had been close to Ayers at Columbia wouldn't more people have remembered him as "that radical guy"?

Someone who went to Columbia in the 1930s might have been recruited by the Communist Party or the Soviet Union and kept his convictions hidden, but it's quite a stretch to argue that Obama became Ayers's "mole" in the 1980s.

26 posted on 10/07/2008 3:02:55 PM PDT by x
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Obama talks to select groups about "economic justice".

Where have I heard that before?

It's marxist boilerplate.

None of you can deny that Obama started his political career at a small c communist's house with a history of terrorism.

Ayers is proud of that.

Ayers and Dohrn are typical trust fund radicals who never had to pay a price.

39 posted on 10/07/2008 3:22:12 PM PDT by vrwc54
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>>But if Obama had been close to Ayers at Columbia wouldn't more people have remembered him as "that radical guy"?

Let's review Obama's own words about that time, from Dreams from My Father:

To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.
So where are the fallacies again?
57 posted on 10/08/2008 3:17:08 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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