Posted on 10/06/2008 6:17:06 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
Indeed it did. One of them is a friend. I have spoken to him about it. His position is "my watch, my responsbility" though clearly there was much more going on and I doubt he could have changed anything. He is one helluva a sailor.
Part of the problem is that these ships are built with spaces that are almost impossible to find if you are not shown the route by someone who is familiar with the lower spaces in a newer Nimitz Class hull. Zone Inspection is a frightful nightmare to keep track of if you don’t have proper Leadership and Management practices; and oversight of those practices is what this report questioned as well.
There are a lot of reasons why this happened and I have no doubt that it is tragic that a good Man’s career has to end over something like this, but Responsibility is the name of the game here, which is how the Navy goes about making sure nothing like this can happen again.
Oh, come on. The solution is, make a regulation saying no smoking on any USS at any time EVER, and this will never happen again.
Illicit smoking was only part of the problem. One of the root causes was improper and long term stowage of hazardous material where it had absolutely no business being.
As with most mishaps like this, the outcome was the result of a chain of errors committed over a lengthy period of time, and if anyone had removed any single link in that chain, the event would not have occurred.
You simply cannot boil the analysis of an event like this down to any one single cause.
Right. But I would caution the need to guard against some political animal seeing this as an opportunity to advance a pet cause, eliminate (or at least forbid) any smoking anywhere, and failing to correct the stowage issues.
That’s sop in PC America.
No one ever cried in my office while I was a Group Commander in the USAF and believe me I handed out lots of punishment. My secretary told me though that almost everyone broke down after they left the office.
I didn’t enjoy punishing people, and my Chief Enlisted Adviser told me I was one of the most fair he’d ever seen. I’m convinced that for every Article 15 I gave, at least 4 were avoided. I only preferred Court Martial charges twice. One to a woman NCO for stabbing her husband and one to a male NCO for dereliction of duty. He could have gotten off with an Article 15, but demanded trial by court martial.
The toughest sentence I could have given was loss of a stripe and two months pay. The court martial took away four stripes and gave him six months at hard labor.
This started in my son’s department on the ship. He was on watch when the whole thing started. He and one other guy in his area were the only ones in the dept. who didn’t get disciplined somehow for this. (We thank the Lord for that.)
I know other stuff, too, which I’m not sure would be OK to post publicly.
Yes, because making a rule will just magically solve the problem.
The REAL solution is to have lots and lots of designated smoking areas, not just some bit of the fantail that's cold, wet and windy.
But that wouldn't please the smoke nazis so it isn't going to happen.
Same with all armed services.
It's amazing that in the service you will be made responsible and take the consequences, yet the politicians that send our people into harms way take no responsibility for ANYTHING.
How do you know it was tobacco?
Just out of sheer curiosity, how many night traps do you have...??
You're referring to a carrier night landing?
What would that have to do with what I posted??
In any event...None.
> It only left San Diego one time!!!!!
LOL!
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