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Now Wall Street may shun $700bn bail-out
The Observer via The Guardian ^ | Oct 5 2008 | James Doran

Posted on 10/05/2008 6:18:18 AM PDT by Daffynition

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To: silverleaf

ditto that ! Pay for performance works every time.


21 posted on 10/05/2008 6:47:51 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: org.whodat

fyi


22 posted on 10/05/2008 6:49:40 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

While the government stuck its nose in the Wachovia mess, Wells Fargo played a lone hand to win control of that bank. Now, if the move proves advantageous the Wells Fargo board deserves a damn good raise for taking a risk and succeeding. If it fails then they will deserve the axe. And that’s the way the system should work.


23 posted on 10/05/2008 6:57:42 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: Melchior

As long as Kovakovich doesn’t wake up some morning and believe he’s God. Its happened to other really sharp executives, one just recently in Tulsa.


24 posted on 10/05/2008 7:01:36 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: dirtboy
McCain was hosed either way. If he voted against it, the economy is going to sink either way (it remains to be seen whether the bailout will delay such, or even if we will be able to tell), and the media would have crucified him for opposing the bailout.

If you're going to be crucified either way, might as well stand up for what you believe in.

25 posted on 10/05/2008 7:05:52 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady

He can recover from voting yes. There is no way he could have recovered from voting no. Not in this environment.


26 posted on 10/05/2008 7:13:47 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Man50D
What a surprise. Businesses refusing to participate in this socialist scam.

Spare me, they would be fighting for positions in the queue if there weren't strings attached regarding executive compensation. And maybe that's the point of those strings.

27 posted on 10/05/2008 7:15:40 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
But CEOs have raked in the pay as their banks went south. They need to look at what matters for their bank and for the larger economy and screw their severance.

Rather than capping pay for CEOs if they volunteer to participate in this, I maintain that a superior solution would have been to require all publicly traded companies to maintain separation between CEO and Chairman of the Board positions. The same person cannot hold both offices, and this is not voluntary, but required. This preserves the role of the board as aadvocate of the owners and not pawns of the CEO. In doing so, it would eliminate the CEOs writing their own severance packages and would do alot to curb these ridiculous golden paarachutes.

Being both CEO and Chairman of the Board is a fundamental conflict of interest and does not provide shareholders good value.

28 posted on 10/05/2008 7:23:01 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: Daffynition

LOL! The banks are taking a look at the bailout Washington said we had to have or they would all fail and now some banks are going to tough it out instead of participating?

Is this the same as saying the bailout wasn’t necessary?


29 posted on 10/05/2008 7:24:53 AM PDT by saganite (Obama is a political STD)
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To: Daffynition

30 posted on 10/05/2008 7:27:24 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: mlocher
OTOH: "Sources close to Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch indicated the banks might choose not to participate in the bail-out as there is a growing view on Wall Street that the market may be bottoming out."

I was skeptical too, but this reporter is in NY. Taking the speculation with a *grain* is a good idea, I googled the keywords in the title and didn't come up with anything [yet.]

31 posted on 10/05/2008 7:28:32 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: pepsi_junkie

I really don’t think that would change things much. Corporate directors are a small club. They make sure everyone’s back in the club gets scratched when the time comes.


32 posted on 10/05/2008 7:28:43 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: raybbr

do I step in horse manure or on a dead skunk. Yep, not a ‘great’ choice at all.

Well it’s a very clear chouce to me. Horse manure washes right off. Dead skunk stays with you a very long time. You be the judge as to which candidate represents which.


33 posted on 10/05/2008 7:29:12 AM PDT by saganite (Obama is a political STD)
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To: gusopol3

Good emphasis on the key point.

Banks previously were hoarding cash because they were uncertain as to the amount of writedowns they would have to take on the bad paper.

Now they can release dollars because they know they can sell the bad paper as a last resort.

But this will increase the supply of dollars and weaken it as a result. Oil as a result will once again trend up in price. Boone Pickens now says $150 oil. I would not bet against him as he was always right before.

A couple years back he predicted $75 dollar oil and he was scoffed at. Later he predicted $125 oil and was considered deranged.

Now with bailout and the resultant increase in supply of dollars, he is predicting $150 oil.

If McCain gets in we will have crash nuclear power plant building, hopefully pebble based gas reactors as they are inherently safe.

But in the short term I am going long oil.


34 posted on 10/05/2008 7:30:49 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: Fox_Mulder77
His response should be:

"Yes I did support it to put my country 1st, but their was so much pork in it I need a dispensation from Joe Lieberman's Rabbi just to sign on, but under a McCain Adminstration any bill with this much pork would be vetoed when it hit my desk".

35 posted on 10/05/2008 7:32:30 AM PDT by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: Daffynition
hahahahhahhaaa.... oh this is rich! It was a f'ing "crisis" that needed REAL legislation... but it's got a couple of hundred pages of other cr#p stuck on the bill. Yeah, I'm so sure that it's an "emergency" cause Barney Frank, Pelosi, Dodd and Reid SAY it's a crisis.

I knew that its all a scam. $700 Billion... $1 Trillion... and on and on... just cr#p. They can't even figure out the cost of a jet... 1 jet that they've got plans, engineering spec, factory/labor costs... and the government is going to accurately gauge a real estate portfolio combined with derivative financing and profit margins that us .5% spread over the life of varying years in order to predict profit and hedge against losses.

It's like Hillary stating she knew how to play cattle futures by "reading the Wall Street journal"... Politicians "think" that they can do something that appears easy but takes knowledge and actual experience.

democrat

36 posted on 10/05/2008 7:33:04 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: dirtboy
Spare me, they would be fighting for positions in the queue if there weren't strings attached regarding executive compensation.

Those "strings" you refer is one of many methods employed by socialists by placing more restrictions on people's freedom. "Curbing executive pay" is another euphemism used by socialists to control how much money a person makes and did so by using the old class warfare tactic. In a free market economic system people should be allowed to make as much has the market will bare.

These same people and their businesses will be eliminated from the free market if their greed becomes excessive resulting in bad business decisions. Those left will be the one's who keep greed in check and make prudent decisions. This latest scam distorts and thereby destroys this natural process. The socialists, including Presidential candidates Obama and McCain, couldn't care less about such a system. Their goal is to control the people. Restricting the free flow of the economy is just one of many methods.
37 posted on 10/05/2008 7:34:00 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Dawn531; rbg81

Paulson’s compensation package exiting Goldman Sachs, according to reports, was US$37 million in 2005, and US$16.4 million projected for 2006. His net worth has been estimated at over US$700 million... why wouldn’t he want what’s *best* for his former colleagues? GRRR!


38 posted on 10/05/2008 7:36:39 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Man50D
Those "strings" you refer is one of many methods employed by socialists by placing more restrictions on people's freedom. "Curbing executive pay" is another euphemism used by socialists to control how much money a person makes and did so by using the old class warfare tactic. In a free market economic system people should be allowed to make as much has the market will bare.

If a company is bellying up to the federal funds window, obviously their executives have largely failed. Try again.

39 posted on 10/05/2008 7:37:34 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: saganite; raybbr
Well it’s a very clear chouce to me. Horse manure washes right off. Dead skunk stays with you a very long time. .

The only difference in this scenario is choosing between a slow death march and a fast one but the end result is the same.

be the judge as to which candidate represents which.

They both represent further erosion of our Democratic Republic in the name of socialism.
40 posted on 10/05/2008 7:40:07 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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