Please don’t put words in my mouth, tpanther. I was not offering those as examples of morally upright communities. (Though I wouldn’t lump France and China together, if we’re going to talk about moral uprightness.)
Actually, I pasted your words:
“In fact, history has shown that atheists can form morally upright communities.
China is one example. Though, of course, I am not holding China up as an example of moral perfection”.
If China is a morally upright community, forget about perfection, then the rams are going to win the superbowl.
“France is way more aggressively secular than the USA, and they’re not so bad off.
My point is, we have no grounds for concluding that all atheistic nations are doomed to immorality. I wouldn’t jump to such conclusions”.
France is pitiful. Their secularism has allowed militant Islam to backfill their moral vacuum and we see riots, terrorism and the like.