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To: Terpfen; rabscuttle385
The Constitution is designed to actively limit the scope and abilities of the government. Claiming that I need to find a passage that says Congress CAN (as opposed to CANNOT) is a misrepresentation of the nature of the document.

Sorry, Terpfen, but your logic is exactly backwards. The document proscribes, in detail, that which the Federal Government is permitted to do; and leaves no doubt that anything NOT specifically permitted by the document is forbidden. The House and the Senate and the president should be forced by law to cite where the Constitution permits any and every bill or action that they pass/take. That they do NOT is the reality, and it has led us to this rush towards socialism. No one should ever have to prove Government actions Unconstitutional, but the the Gov't should have to prove Constitutionality for EVERYTHING that it does. If ever a person stepped forward to run for office on THAT platform, I would champion them till I died! And REAL conservatives would (or should) as well, regardless of the name of the party.

132 posted on 10/03/2008 1:16:47 PM PDT by Ignatz (Why not enjoy the occasional swede?)
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To: Ignatz; Terpfen
The Constitution is designed to actively limit the scope and abilities of the government. Claiming that I need to find a passage that says Congress CAN (as opposed to CANNOT) is a misrepresentation of the nature of the document.

Government's power is derived from We The People, not the other way around. As a consequence, Government has only as much power as we explicitly grant to it, and nothing more. By default, the Government can do nothing unless we explicitly allow it to do so.

There's a difference between being governed and being ruled.

145 posted on 10/03/2008 1:22:44 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the Republic and her citizens.)
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To: Ignatz
The document proscribes, in detail, that which the Federal Government is permitted to do; and leaves no doubt that anything NOT specifically permitted by the document is forbidden.

Exactly. It's written in plain English. One need not take a class to understand it. Unfortunately, it's been in the garbage for quite some time.

146 posted on 10/03/2008 1:23:28 PM PDT by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: Ignatz
The document proscribes, in detail, that which the Federal Government is permitted to do; and leaves no doubt that anything NOT specifically permitted by the document is forbidden.

You are absolutely right. Our Founders started from the premise that all power was in the individual and that certain powers would be given to the federal government and these powers were specified in the Constitution. All powers not so specified were retained by the people, although the people also gave some of their inherent power to the states. That's why the question should never be asked whether the constitution states that the people have a certain right. The people have every right except those that are specifically limited by the Constitution.

I think some "conservatives" got away from the real meaning of the Constitution when they derided SCOTUS for finding individual rights not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, like the right to privacy. Of course we have the right to privacy, we have all rights. We, the people, are the sovereign.

What transpired over the last week is the best argument you could make for "throw them all out". I will vote for no one who sold me out this way.

165 posted on 10/03/2008 1:35:26 PM PDT by Prokopton
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