Posted on 10/03/2008 3:34:48 AM PDT by marktwain
“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” - Thomas Jefferson.
All fully complied with.
Under these facts, reasonable minds could not differ.
I may be a little dense;please explain clearly why it would be reasonable to break and destroy the doors in preference to simply using the offered keys to open the door ?I do not recall the city denying the keys were offered.I think a reasonable person would have to conclude there was an element of “we’ll fix your wagon” vindictiveness in smashing property .Wanton destruction is not the mark of reasonable people.
“However, the evidence submitted by the City establishes that the search was authorized for evidence of methamphetamine manufacture and that such searches are often dangerous. There was also the risk of harm to Mr. Brutsche if he accompanied the officers, as well as the possibility that his presence would hamper or limit the search. The declarations of SRT Commander Villa and Officer Majack, which are largely uncontroverted, show that it was necessary to breach the doors and that James Brutsche’s (Mr. Brutsche’s son’s) actions dictated the need for the officers’ actions. These declarations describe the high risk associated with search warrants for methamphetamine manufacture and the apprehension of individuals in the methamphetamine trade. They explain that James Brutsche was suspected of being involved in the methamphetamine trade, that he tried to barricade himself and another suspect in the mobile home by using a dowel to bar a sliding glass door, and that the officers did not know whether he was arming himself or attempting to rally unknown persons in the home to engage in a fight with police. Further, the declarations describe the danger that evidence would be destroyed before they could search the premises. Villa’s declaration also explains that standard operating procedure is to bar access to search scenes during a search, in part to protect innocent bystanders.”
Battering rams don't need keys.
Me thinks he knew where his son's lab was....
I reckon had the police found the son's meth lab, there's a chance the son may still be alive and the warehouse it was in not damaged/destroyed. And if you think such manufacturing operation wasn't happening at the time of the raid, yet the son dies in a meth lab fire a year later - exactly what police had searched for, you're yeilding to a rather simplistic opinion.
Who will be cleaning up "Obama's police" (read demoncrat Gestapo) when they come to my door?
*I* sure won't pay for the cleanup.
And he blocked the sliding glass doors with a WOODEN DOWEL? My gosh,what a dangerous weapon! By the way,using a dowel in the track of patio doors has been recommended to homeowners for decades ,by the police and news or magazine articles on home security.The police also used to advise getting a dog to provide warning and some protection rather than a gun;but now the police are killing the family dog because it might pose a threat to officer safety!?
Interesting that some feel the very act of securing one's premises from intruders is sufficient to establish criminality of the property owner.
Let me once again state my firm opinion that most of these no-knock,SWAT and battering ram escapades are little more than an excuse for some cops to "play army".
The same laws that disregard the rights of those you don't like today can be used against YOU tomorrow.
No doubt,if all citizen homes could be opened by a passkey held only? by the authorities then there would be little crime,as it would be detected by the random searches .Although having to put all your stuff back in its place after the searchers have left could get annoying.Did you know the police practically trash a trucker's road tractor when searching,and don't put things back as they found it? I have this from several truckers who were searched ,and made late for deliveries because of having to put the seats back in ,replace all their belongings in the various storage bins,and so on.And locally ,we haven't forgotten the policemen who,having been told of a businessman going on vacation,gave his home special attention:they burglarized it!
Those with special powers must be held to the highest standards of behavior,and I submit encouraging property destruction and brutality does not.
I do not hate all police;I abhor the militarization of the police and the robberies where money and property are taken when the owner is not convicted of any crime.
I'll call your bluff. Prove it.
And he blocked the sliding glass doors with a WOODEN DOWEL?
THEY, the two drug dealers, blocked the door, rendering a key useless.
Interesting that some feel the very act of securing one's premises from intruders is sufficient to establish criminality of the property owner.
Running inside and barricading the doors to evade police is "securing one's premises?" What a lame premise.
No doubt,if all citizen homes could be opened by a passkey held only?
Meth and paranoia go together.
You know well proving a negative is near to impossible.
Anarchist tripe.
I thought I was on the Wrong House List, but apparently not. Would you please add me?
You've been added.
Thank you. Nice tagline, BTW.
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