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Who Caused the Economic Crisis? (FactCheck.org's take)
FactCheck.org ^ | October 1, 2008 | Joe Miller and Brooks Jackson

Posted on 10/02/2008 8:06:15 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

MoveOn.org blames McCain advisers. He blames Obama and Democrats in Congress. Both are wrong.

Summary

A MoveOn.org Political Action ad plays the partisan blame game with the economic crisis, charging that John McCain’s friend and former economic adviser Phil Gramm “stripped safeguards that would have protected us.” The claim is bogus. Gramm’s legislation had broad bipartisan support and was signed into law by President Clinton. Moreover, the bill had nothing to do with causing the crisis, and economists – not to mention President Clinton – praise it for having softened the crisis.

A McCain-Palin ad, in turn, blames Democrats for the mess. The ad says that the crisis “didn’t have to happen,” because legislation McCain cosponsored would have tightened regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But, the ad says, Obama "was notably silent" while Democrats killed the bill. That’s oversimplified. Republicans, who controlled the Senate at the time, did not bring the bill forward for a vote. And it’s unclear how much the legislation would have helped, as McCain signed on just two months before the housing bubble popped.

In fact, there’s ample blame to go around. Experts have cited everyone from home buyers to Wall Street, mortgage brokers to Alan Greenspan.

(Excerpt) Read more at factcheck.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: economiccrisis; factcheckorg
Not a complete analysis in my view. They're trying too hard to be even-handed and "spread the blame."
1 posted on 10/02/2008 8:06:21 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Factcheck is already discredited, like Wikipedia. Stop using them.


2 posted on 10/02/2008 8:07:41 AM PDT by Terpfen (To all you knee-jerkers: remember Rick Santorum.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Can’t believe factcheck. They are tied to Obama through the Annenburg Foundation.


3 posted on 10/02/2008 8:07:59 AM PDT by freemama
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

They’re occasionally correct, kind of like a blind squirrel.


4 posted on 10/02/2008 8:10:50 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Jim DeMint: "If you took the name off the top, the Senate could pass the Communist Manifesto.")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

It’s a total crock. Go to the end of the article where they “lay blame”. Even though they mention that
Frank and other Dems blocked legislation from 2000 on, in the end they receive no blame.


5 posted on 10/02/2008 8:11:23 AM PDT by saganite (Obama is a political STD)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Kuttner, Robert. "The Bubble Economy." The American Prospect, 24 September 2007.

LOL...

6 posted on 10/02/2008 8:13:28 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

it’s an ok article, but when they say Bush Admin didn’t provide oversight...they don’t give an example of what they could have done to prevent it.


7 posted on 10/02/2008 8:16:42 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

8 posted on 10/02/2008 8:21:58 AM PDT by xDGx
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The approach here is to blame everyone since by blaming everyone, no one suffers the consequences of their actions.

But the bottom line is that the crisis never would have happend had Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac underwriting criteria not been dramatically relaxed so that people who could not afford loans were able to get them. That is THE single determining factor in my view. All other factors were dependant upon the underwriting criteria being relaxed.

Quote from Franklin Raines in 2003 Fannie Mae annual report:

“Ten years ago, for example, the typical conforming mortgage required a down payment of 10 to 20 percent, and low-down payment mortgages were considered too risky. But then we helped to standardize the 3 to 5 percent down payment loan, brought it to global capital markets, and made it available to lenders and communities nationwide. Now low-down payment loans are commonplace. And we just adopted a new variance in our underwriting standards that will make the $500 down payment loan widely available as well...”


9 posted on 10/02/2008 8:34:02 AM PDT by PAR
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
But saying that Democrats killed the 2005 bill "while Mr. Obama was notably silent" oversimplifies things considerably. The bill made it out of committee in the Senate but was never brought up for consideration. At that time, Republicans had a majority in the Senate and controlled the agenda. Democrats never got the chance to vote against it or to mount a filibuster to block it.

Gutless Republicans.

They were afraid of the 'Race Card' being played during the "filibuster".


10 posted on 10/02/2008 8:35:32 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "The Iron Lady from the North")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
FactCheck.org's mask of objectivity last as far as the header of their webpage:

Notice "Annenberg" in the title. It's Annenberg Public Policy Center... from the same group (The Annenberg Foundation) that paid for Barack Obama's & Bill Ayer's radical collaboration (The Annenberg Challenge) into public education... and the same group that provided funding to the group ACORN, which supplies Obama's red-brigades to subvert America's housing market & voting process.

Any wonder why the irresponsible mortgage lending practices pushed by the Community Reinvestment Act & ACORN were not mentioned?

11 posted on 10/02/2008 8:53:05 AM PDT by drpix
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

CORRECTION: objectivity last = objectivity lasts


12 posted on 10/02/2008 8:55:24 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Terpfen
Wikipedia is not discredited. Independent analysis has shown it to be as accurate as gold standard encyclopedias and if you look behind the scenes, you can see all the debate and edits (Google on it and you’ll find the studies). This transparency is important. In fact, if you see something wrong, you can correct it yourself. Corrections can be made in real-time.

As for FactCheck, the article cited here is very accurate and gives a good overview. With the Annenberg name associated with it, one should be rightly skeptical, but the lefties will trust this more then, say, FreeRepublic, and it stated a long list of Rat-caused problems.

The one issue I have with the article is that in the Senate, the committee didn’t have a super-majority so they dropped the GSE reform. But, as the article points out, they should have pushed harder. They also don’t list Greenspan’s dire warnings. But overall, it’s pretty well done for a left-wing-nut organization.

Anyone who relies on a single source of the truth will never find it - save The Bible.

13 posted on 10/02/2008 9:03:41 AM PDT by uncommonsense
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
It's disinformation like this that insures the situation will never be fixed.
14 posted on 10/02/2008 9:03:49 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Realism

Everybody is to blame… no wait, nobody is at fault… just move along. /sarcasm

FactCheck fails to understand that trust is a hard thing to gain, but an easy thing to lose. Add politicians, media, et al. They have lost my trust. I don’t believe a single syllable anymore.


15 posted on 10/02/2008 9:12:18 AM PDT by auboy (Men who cannot deceive others are very often successful at deceiving themselves. Samuel Johnson)
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To: uncommonsense
Corrections can be made in real-time.

And then your corrections are corrected in real-time. I suggest you look very closely at precisely which articles those studies of yours examined before giving Wikipedia a smiley face sticker.

I'd use Wikipedia if I needed to find out the principles of hydraulics, but I wouldn't use it to look up facts on Dick Cheney.
16 posted on 10/02/2008 9:39:36 AM PDT by Terpfen (To all you knee-jerkers: remember Rick Santorum.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The senate democrats weakened the bill to the point that Bush threatened to veto it. So democrats didn’t want it for one reason and republicans didn’t want it for another.


17 posted on 10/02/2008 10:22:27 AM PDT by sazerac
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
They're trying too hard to be even-handed and "spread the blame."

Anytime anybody engages in that kind of fact-checking, then it's not fact-checking at all.

Spreading the blame does not point the finger at the real culprits. And, if the real culprits go unpunished and are allowed to continue legislating or governing, then they will definitely continue on the jobs, and creating more problems for the economy and the American people. No punishment and no banishment, is the same as condoning, and is the same as giving a license to continue the bad behavior.
18 posted on 10/02/2008 10:31:06 AM PDT by adorno
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To: Terpfen

can you give me a thread or resource regarding the discrediting of factcheck.org?

I’m currently engaged in an argument with someone who keeps citing them, and I’d like to counter them.

thanks


19 posted on 10/03/2008 5:59:54 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Abundy
Try this.
20 posted on 10/03/2008 10:33:35 AM PDT by Terpfen (To all you knee-jerkers: remember Rick Santorum.)
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