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To: Berlin_Freeper

You want free speech? pay your taxes.
You want no taxes? limit your speech.

That’s how the system works. They’re gonna have a hard time fighting it.


6 posted on 09/29/2008 10:11:52 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: ctdonath2

“....That’s how the system works. They’re gonna have a hard time fighting it....”

You have 50 years precedent of political speech being ignored by the IRS in black churches. I think they are on pretty firm ground under the Equal Protection Clause.


9 posted on 09/29/2008 10:16:20 AM PDT by Islander7 ("Common sense and common decency are uncommon virtues among America's left.")
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To: ctdonath2

“You want no taxes? limit your speech.”

When the IRS applies their censorship to imams in U.S. mosques and pastors of Black churches, then you may have a point. However, it seems only pastors of White evangelical churches are subject to this censorship.


10 posted on 09/29/2008 10:18:04 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: ctdonath2
"You want free speech? pay your taxes. You want no taxes? limit your speech. That’s how the system works. They’re gonna have a hard time fighting it."

Sorry, but taxing churches for free speech is a violation of the 1st Amendment because it falls under the 'or prohibiting the free exercise thereof' part of the amendment. There is a reason that freedom of religion and freedom of speech are in the same and 1st Amendment.

Churches then and now are an important voice against the tyranny of government and the framers recognized that fact. People today, not being as educated in basic liberty as the framers were, do not recognize that truth.

What you are arguing is that the 16th Amendment overrides the 1st Amendment and that is not the case unless specifically voted on like the 21st Amendment repealing the 18th.

The 16th Amendment didn't repeal the 1st Amendment.

13 posted on 09/29/2008 4:05:29 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: ctdonath2

Show us where in the Constitution freedom of speech is conditional on paying taxes and you MIGHT have a point.

Except for the complicating factor that the federal government is prohibited by that Constitution from restricting speech or the free exercise of religion.

Thankfully, that protects us from the communism that people like you advocate.


14 posted on 09/29/2008 6:54:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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