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FReeper Guide to the REAL economic problem - Credit Derivatives - Lesson 1
Politicket | 9/27/2008 | Politicket

Posted on 09/27/2008 1:16:46 PM PDT by politicket

Welcome to Lesson 1 of ‘The Basics of Credit Derivatives’.

For this lesson I will be referencing the following article: The Ballooning Credit Derivatives Market: Easing Risk or Making It Worse?, which was published in November 2005 by the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania.

My comments will be in Red.

Let’s get started:

The Ballooning Credit Derivatives Market: Easing Risk or Making It Worse?
Published: November 02, 2005 in Knowledge@Wharton

When Delphi filed for bankruptcy October 8, investors had to start assessing their losses on more than $2 billion in the auto parts maker's bonds, which have recently traded at around 60% of their face value. As bad as that is, there is more. Looming over the market like an invisible and unpredictable giant is an estimated $25 billion in credit derivatives, a form of insurance whose value is directly linked to the ups and downs of Delphi debt.

This paragraph is referencing the bankruptcy of Delphi Automotive Systems, which was once owned by General Motors and was spun off into its own company in 1999. It also talks about the company’s ‘bonds’. Think of bonds as debt obligations. You’ve probably heard the term ‘corporate bonds’ before. It is one way that a company can raise capital to accomplish its business – it sells bonds to investors, in exchange for money to operate. If the company goes belly-up then the bond holders have a higher ‘pecking order’ than those investors that may have owned common or preferred stock in the company.

The common and preferred shareholders were completely wiped out in this scenario. The bond holders saw that their investment took a ‘haircut’ and was now only worth 60% of what they paid for it (worth is based on the liquidation –or sale – of any company assets).

This paragraph also talks about $25 billion in other ‘debt’ that is hanging over the ‘market’ – from those that “bet” that Delphi would not go bankrupt – and lost. The way that these investors in the market lost is by participating in the “selling of insurance” to the bond holders. When Dephi filed for bankruptcy the ‘insurance’ providers had to make good on the full original worth of the bond. In exchange, the bond holder was to hand over the bond (just like when there is a car wreck and the insurance company pays the value of the car – in exchange for the car being delivered to them). One problem with this is that the physical number of insured bonds may have not been enough to ‘give back’ to the ‘insurance’ providers – if there were more insurance providers than there were bonds. When this happens, the bonds have to be purchased by the ‘buyer’ of the insurance so that they can give them back to the insurance provider. This would be like you taking out two insurance policies on your car and getting into a wreck. You collect from both policies (highly illegal in the car insurance business) and then both insurance companies want the car in return. You only have one car to give back, so you would have to go BUY a second wrecked car of the exact same type, so that you could give it back to the second insurance company.

In summary, what you need to understand from this paragraph is that there was $25 billion dollars of ‘extra’ debt in the marketplace because of Delphi’s bankruptcy – without any of those in debt physically holding ANY common stock, preferred stock, or corporate bonds. All that they held were “bets”.

Clear as mud? Good. Let’s move on.

What happens to these complex contracts as the underlying bonds plunge in value? Will ripple effects amplify the Delphi damage, spreading harm to institutional and individual investors who otherwise have no stake in Delphi?

The ‘complex contracts’ that this paragraph refers to are the insurance contracts between the buyer and ‘seller’. The ‘seller’ has absolutely no physical interest in Delphi, except for the “bet” that they own regarding whether or not the bond will go into default (i.e. not get paid) This would happen if the ‘cash flow’ backing the bond was insufficient to meet the bond’s terms. This paragraph is asking the question: “What happens when there are too many ‘sellers’ of insurance? What effect might this have on the market (and economy) as a whole? Read on…

The Delphi situation points to a broader question: Is the credit derivative market, which grew from next to nothing in the mid-1990s to an estimated $5 trillion at the end of 2004 -- and is perhaps more than twice that size today -- pumping new, poorly-understood risk into the financial markets? Or are these exotic products helping to mitigate the shock from corporate crises, as their proponents claim?

Now we’re getting to the ‘meat’. Remember, this article is from the Wharton School – arguably the sharpest minds in the investment community. They’re basically saying – uh oh, what happens as the size of this thing begins to spiral out of control. Notice from the paragraph that what began as ‘next to nothing’ in the mid 90’s was estimated at $5 trillion (of “bets”) in 2004, and was presumed to be ‘twice’ that amount at the time this article was written – or $10 trillion of “bets”. In 2007, that figure ballooned to around $62 trillion dollars of “bets”. Since the beginning of this year, there has been an effort under way to identify “bets” that would be a ‘wash’. They have been destroying these insurance contracts (“bets”) by doing what is known as a “tear-up” (you can take that quite literally). As of now, there are assumed to be approximately $54 trillion dollars of “bets” in the market.

The paragraph also ponders whether it is good to pump ‘new, poorly-understood risk’ into to financial markets? What happens when there are corporate crises? Does this investment strategy help the situation at that point in time – or do great harm? Remember folks, this was written in November, 2005. I want you to write a date down on a piece of paper so that you don’t forget it as we continue these lessons – “July, 2007”.

"They're huge, and they have grown very rapidly," said Wharton finance professor Richard J. Herring, describing credit-derivatives products. "In principle, they are redistributing risk," he noted, adding that in the past few years, credit derivatives have helped the financial markets weather storms like the bankruptcies of Enron, WorldCom and Parmalat as well as Argentina's debt default.

It was believed for quite some time that the more credit derivatives in existence, the better. The mindset was something like this: If a catastrophe happened with a particular company, and there had been a huge number of “sellers” of insurance on the corporate debt, then each insurance seller would only end up paying a ‘little bit’ of the entire bill.

Here’s an illustration: Let’s pretend that you go out to dinner with four of your friends. After dinner, the bill comes and immediately somebody asks: “What’s the damage?” In our story, the ‘damage’ is $100, so each person takes out $20.00, plus a premium (for the tip) and the dinner is complete. What if only one person brought their wallet? They would have incurred greater harm because there was no ‘redistribution of risk’ – the risk being – “if you eat our food, you pay our bill”.

This all sounds logical, right? There’s no downside, is there?

"Those events would have been sufficient in an earlier era to cause major problems to major banks, and even to precipitate a banking crisis," he said. "But the banks have been fairly robust, and the reason is that someone else is holding the credit risk." However, he added, "What we don't know with any new market is whether something that somebody hasn't quite thought through is going to cause a meltdown."

This paragraph should have you sitting a little straighter in your chair. Finance professor Richard Herring is saying how great credit derivatives are, but stating what has now become painfully obvious. Let me repeat: “What we don't know with any new market is whether something that somebody hasn't quite thought through is going to cause a meltdown.”

There was something they didn’t think through correctly, and it is here, has been here since July, 2007, and will continue rolling forward. Let’s move along…

In September, the Federal Reserve summoned 14 major banks to a meeting to discuss troubles with the credit-derivatives market. The concern was not that these instruments are intrinsically hazardous. Rather, the Fed worried that the market has grown so quickly that participants cannot keep up with the paperwork. If trades were not processed fast enough, investors could lose confidence in the market and a normal crisis could snowball.

Here was a meeting, with the Federal Reserve and the major banks (the ‘brightest minds in the business’) and rather than focus on risk assessment from ballooning credit derivative “bets” they worried about how to fix the system so that they could handle MORE of them. After all, spreading out the ‘risk’ was a brilliant strategy – or so they thought.

The alarm had been raised earlier in the summer by E. Gerald Corrigan, managing director at The Goldman Sachs Group. As president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank in 1999, he managed the Fed's response to an earlier credit crisis, the collapse of hedge fund Long-Term Capital Management.

Here we learn that E. Gerald Corrigan was the one that wanted the Fed and 14 member banks to get together. He was the one that was concerned that more needed to be done to get more credit derivatives flowing through our economic system – and that of the world. Mr. Corrigan, who was once the President of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, was managing director at The Goldman Sachs Group. His boss was the CEO of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson – our current Treasury Secretary of the United States.

Eric. S. Rosen, managing director and head of North American credit trading at JP Morgan, one of the biggest players in this market, addressed this topic during a panel discussion on sales and trading at the October 14 Wharton Finance Conference. "The Fed is getting worried about the infrastructure," he said. Regulators made it clear at the meeting that "they don't care what your [credit derivative trading] volumes are; you've got to get the system in order." His company is spending $100 million on systems to handle the soaring volume. "I think the Fed has got it right," he noted.

Now, we read that on October 14, 2005, the head of JP Morgan’s North American operations told a group of high-powered financial executives that the “Fed is getting worried about infrastructure”. They were also told to not worry about trading volumes ($10 trillion of “bets” at the time), but to get their process in order, so that they could handle even more “bets”.

Yes, this is the same JP Morgan that the government has given ‘sweetheart’ deals to in the takeovers of Bear Stearns and Washington Mutual.

The credit-derivatives market barely existed before the mid-1990s. It developed when new mathematical insights made it possible to set prices for more complex instruments. Market participants were also gaining experience with other forms of derivatives tied to stocks, commodities and currencies. Banks and other lenders and investors were looking for new ways to hedge against risks. And investors such as hedge funds, insurance companies and pension funds were looking for ways to take on risk in hopes of earning higher investment yields.

This paragraph is pretty much self explanatory, except I want to expand on a couple of areas. The original credit derivatives market in the 90’s was driven, for the most part, by Investment Consultants that were sincerely looking for a larger return for their client portfolio. Over the years, they have created amazing mathematical formulas that rival the 7 spices of Colonel Sanders recipe in their complexity. There is an incredible amount of competition in the Investment Consulting industry – and there has always been pressure to get a “leg up” on your “adversaries”.

This paragraph talks about Banks (meaning both commercial and investment) looking for new ways to hedge against risk. Understand that they actually were looking for MORE risk, because it provided MORE return. The problem they faced is that the banking industry is heavily regulated and for a long time they were ‘burdened’ with managing illiquid assets that only gained a ‘good’ return. Credit derivatives was their salvation. It allowed them to create hedging strategies where they could actively participate in the “high risk – high gain” marketplace, while still ‘meeting’ the letter of the law in regulatory requirements.

One last point: Notice how insurance companies and pension funds (yes, your retirement) were getting all ‘tingly’ about the prospect of taking on more risk. Just like the banks, they had been stuck with conservative investing strategies, and credit derivatives were a thing of beauty to them.

We’re almost done with this lesson, hang tight..

The driving force in creating the credit-derivatives market, said Herring, was big banks looking for ways to make assets, such as loan portfolios, more liquid.

One word describes this paragraph – GREED! The investment and commercial banks of the entire world put everything at risk so that they could ‘participate with the big boys’ where it involved risk.

You made it through Lesson One! Still hanging in there?

The next post will be Lesson Two. We’ll still be covering the same article – which will encompass the first 3 lessons.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; 2008; bailout; cdos; cmbs; credit; derivative; finance101; financialcrisis
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To: palmer
Fed interventions that they are out of luck, so if there’s any chance of it, they withdraw their equity.

So it's not much of a "bailout" is it? And certainly not free money.

101 posted on 09/27/2008 6:11:29 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: palmer
The concept of taking the profit and running doesn’t exist in his world.

It's like having a deal where you have a 99% chance of making $1million, but a 1% chance of losing $1billion. Most likely, you win. And if you lose, you don't HAVE a $billion, so you walk away.

102 posted on 09/27/2008 6:13:24 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: PapaBear3625

“One big problem about naked shorts is it allows more shares to e sold than actually physically exist.”

This isn’t a real problem as settlement may be made in cash. The only issues relate to credit risk. Market participants take steps to mitigate credit risk but it’s always something to consider.


103 posted on 09/27/2008 6:14:02 PM PDT by Warlord
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To: palmer
Still didn't clear up your confusion about how CDS work.

Why would your "assumption" about default risk give you a profit? I'd think the market price would be a better measure.

104 posted on 09/27/2008 6:14:09 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Let me apologize to begin with, let me apologize for what I'm about to say....)
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To: PapaBear3625

You’re talking about CDS. They trade those on IBM, or didn’t you know that?


105 posted on 09/27/2008 6:14:19 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Let me apologize to begin with, let me apologize for what I'm about to say....)
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To: Moonman62

It is exactly a bailout for the CDS holders like Goldman Sachs. The Fed didn’t have much concern for shareholders of AIG, like previous cases, but they did not want the CDS that Goldman holds against AIG to be defaulted upon in a liquidation of AIG.


106 posted on 09/27/2008 6:14:23 PM PDT by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: PapaBear3625

I’ve been laughing at that link for a while.


107 posted on 09/27/2008 6:14:49 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Let me apologize to begin with, let me apologize for what I'm about to say....)
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To: PapaBear3625

So now you’ve gone from arguing that buying a CDS is a sure money maker to arguing that selling a CDS is a sure money maker. That’s funny.


108 posted on 09/27/2008 6:17:21 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Let me apologize to begin with, let me apologize for what I'm about to say....)
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To: palmer; Toddsterpatriot
The main assumption that issuers could make at the start of the game, was that the default-triggering recession would not be for a few years. In those years, they could rack up a lot of bonuses and commissions.

It was a situation where, by taking the risks, the best that could happen is that they would make $millions, the worst that could happen is that they would have to look for new jobs, and the most likely scenario was that they would make millions and then have to look for new jobs.

109 posted on 09/27/2008 6:18:31 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The article (not perfect for sure) simply points out that the original sale of the CDS generates profits based on “assumptions”. It also points out that the market price is driven both by the desire for profits and the assumptions, in that the rosier you make your assumptions, the lower you can make your price at a constant profit (or the higher profit at a constant price).


110 posted on 09/27/2008 6:18:47 PM PDT by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: politicket
“You may not think so, but if you look through the thread you will find at least a few people who are very interested in them.”

There is nothing new in the first lesson. That's objective fact. That doesn't mean that the lesson is unworthy of posting. Nevertheless, I concede that my interest in the thread is not the lesson as much as dealing with the idea that somehow the lessons (if the first is indicative of the series) make any sort of case against the general use of derivatives.

111 posted on 09/27/2008 6:20:35 PM PDT by Warlord
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To: Warlord
any sort of case against the general use of derivatives

Privatized profits, socialized risks. If that's obvious from recent history, then you would need to provide an alternative explanation for the bailouts of derivative counterparties like AIG.

112 posted on 09/27/2008 6:23:59 PM PDT by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: Warlord
Nevertheless, I concede that my interest in the thread is not the lesson as much as dealing with the idea that somehow the lessons (if the first is indicative of the series) make any sort of case against the general use of derivatives.

Stay tuned for the rest of the Lessons (next one coming in a little while).

I'm not arguing against CDS's, nor combining and using them in CDO's. I'm saying that they can be, and were, abused heavily - without consideration being taken of the downside. That downside is about to bury us financially.

113 posted on 09/27/2008 6:24:31 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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To: palmer

But in a previous post you said it was “Bob” who got a bailout and that “Bob” was AIG. Now I’m confused. I never did figure out who “Alice” was.


114 posted on 09/27/2008 6:24:34 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Warlord
This isn’t a real problem as settlement may be made in cash.

Oh there is INDEED a real problem.

I incorporate PapaBear Inc and issue 1000 shares, which palmer buys and holds. You naked sell 1000 shares to Toddsterpatriot. You then sell another thousand shares to freeandfreezing. There are now 3,000 shares in circulation of a company which only has 1000 shares. You start seeing the problem?

115 posted on 09/27/2008 6:24:34 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Moonman62

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116 posted on 09/27/2008 6:26:06 PM PDT by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
So now you’ve gone from arguing that buying a CDS is a sure money maker to arguing that selling a CDS is a sure money maker. That’s funny.

I've done neither. I'm saying that CDS's can be used to provide an illusion of solvency, for long enough that people can walk away with a lot of money before the house of cards falls down.

117 posted on 09/27/2008 6:28:43 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: palmer
The article (not perfect for sure) simply points out that the original sale of the CDS generates profits based on “assumptions”.

Well, first of all, you'd be paid $1.2 million a year for 10 years. So if you assume you're going to lose $10 million, you're posting a loss for the first 8.33 years. Maybe in year 9 you can book your "profit"?

It also points out that the market price is driven both by the desire for profits and the assumptions

Well duh.

in that the rosier you make your assumptions, the lower you can make your price at a constant profit (or the higher profit at a constant price).

Assumptions don't pay the bills. You can assume all you want but if the CDS you sold for $1.2 million a year starts trading at $2 million a year, I suspect you'll be booking a loss.

118 posted on 09/27/2008 6:29:12 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Let me apologize to begin with, let me apologize for what I'm about to say....)
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To: PapaBear3625
I'm saying that CDS's can be used to provide an illusion of solvency, for long enough that people can walk away with a lot of money before the house of cards falls down.

By buying them or selling them?

119 posted on 09/27/2008 6:31:40 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Let me apologize to begin with, let me apologize for what I'm about to say....)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

It depends on whether you “book” the loss or not. In AIG’s case it was better not to even in the face of imminent defaults. But the market knew better and drove down the stock price. So perhaps your free market really worked after all? Well, then there was a bailout.


120 posted on 09/27/2008 6:34:17 PM PDT by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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