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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

>I have said for 10 years that the greatest danger to this country is the Clinton Crime Machine. And that the most dangerous terrorist to this country was the Senator from NY.

I was wrong.

It is the entire Democratic party - a criminal machine.

The Republican Party has some few brave stalwarts left in it for the truth - but it was infiltrated by the enemy.<

PLEASE Open both of your eyes!

Since 9/11, our Constitutional rights have been systematically dismantled by a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT!

1. USA Patriot Act - A 342 page document presented to Congress one day before voting on it that allows the government access to your bank and email accounts, as well as your medical and phone records with no court order. They can also search your home anytime without a warrant.

2. USA Patriot Act II - This one allows secret government arrests, the legal authority to seize your American citizenship, and the extraction of your DNA if you are deemed a potential terrorist.

3. Military Commissions Act of 2006 - Ends habeas corpus, the right to an attorney, and the right to court review of one’s detention and arrest. Without this most basic right, all other rights are gone too since anyone can be detained indefinitely. Now anyone may be arrested and incarcerated and nobody would know.

4. NSPD 51 - A directive signed by George W. Bush on May 9, 2007, that allows the President to declare martial law, effectively transforming the U.S. into a dictatorship with no checks and balances from the Legislative or Judicial Branches. Parts of this directive are considered classified and members of Congress have been denied the right to review it.

5. Protect America Act of 2007 - Allows unprecedented domestic wiretapping and surveillance activities with a reduction in FISA court oversight. Probable cause is not needed.

6. John Warner Defense Authorization Act - Signed by George W. Bush on October 17, 2007, this act allows the President to declare a public emergency and station troops anywhere in America without the consent of the governor or local authorities to “suppress public disorder.”

7. Homegrown Terrorism and Radicalization Act - Passed overwhelmingly by Congress on October 23, 2007, is now awaiting a Senate vote. This act will beget a new crackdown on dissent and the Constitutional rights of American citizens. The definitions of “terrorism” and “extremism” are so vague that they could be used to generalize against any group that is working against the policies of the Administration. In this bill, “violent radicalization” criminalizes thought and ideology while “homegrown terrorism” is defined as “the planed use of force to coerce the government.” The term, “force” could encompass political activities such as protests, marches, or any other form of non-violent resistance.

Get your head out of your butt, open both eyes and look in the mirror. YOU are a major part of the problem! Yes, you! You refuse to search for the truth. Our entire political system is corrupt. It stinks worse than a rotten fish.

What is the Sam Hell makes you think that the goals of the Republican Party are not just as evil as the Democrats? Loss of personal liberty doesn’t mean anything to you? No, then you are a socialist! No better than a Democrat. I hope you aren’t my neighbor and you had better hope that I’m not your neighbor.


104 posted on 09/27/2008 11:14:26 AM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: B4Ranch

slow it down, b4.

I have not said that the Republican Party is the answer.

I have said that there are a few conservative Congressmen in Congress who have tried - as best they can - to hold back the night.

In case you didn’t notice - all but 1 or 2 in Congress belong to one of two political parties.

That is just a fact.

Your harshness to me and/or to Joanie f is misdirected.

I am on here and paying attention and learning - and have learned from your post - information I did not know.

So get a grip and direct the anger to the people who are DOING THIS damage to this country.

And I am not one of them.


109 posted on 09/27/2008 12:55:48 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (DEFUND NPR - National Propaganda Radio for the Leftists/Communists/Socialists)
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To: B4Ranch
I've saved your 'list of eight' for future reference and use. It will come in very handy.

I had a rather heated (to put it mildly) discussion earlier this week on an investment forum in which I take part. My 'opponent' claimed to be a die-hard conservative, but was chastising me for criticizing Bush.

The following is a part of one of his last private replies to me, after we had both settled down a bit:

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In families, villages, or political parties, you don't get to pick your relatives neighbors or fellow party members. If you are to be of much value to them, and especially if you wish to have sway outside the fold, you don’t strengthen your position through gratuitous attacks on your mates.

When such attacks are used as an introductory device to a statement of position in an attempt to prove bona fides, they are only destructive to the argument. They only prompt questions of loyalty of the writer without supporting the position. They have become hackneyed, ludicrous habitual among "nominal" conservatives and the "country club Republican" crowd. Such attacks are ineffectual at best, cowardly at worst.

There are Republicans I despise. There are no (living) Democrats I admire. What do I gain for conservatism or the party by attacking Republicans? Would I thusly be considered smarter or more thoughtful or erudite by Democrats?

If you don't get it yet, just file it away, and some day it may dawn on you.

You seem young women. You might be my daughter's age. I love her, she is a passionate, “rock ribbed” conservative, highly educated and fairly accomplished, but her political skills and arguments are not yet fully developed either.

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To which I replied:

I appreciate the more cordial tone of your message, as opposed to the previous ones.

I know that neither of us wants to begin a long-term ‘correspondence’, but it also appears that each of us appears to want the final ‘rebuttal’. So, for what it’s worth, here’s mine:

I very much doubt that I am the age of your daughter. As a matter of fact, I am probably older than you.

I have been involved in politics all of my adult life: as an activist, a newspaper political columnist, a campaigner, a freelance political writer, and a local office holder. I have served as an elected township official in our township for the past twenty-five years, and have learned, at least on the local level, how best to deal with the heavy-handed edicts handed down ‘from above’ (on the state and federal level).

I agree that we do not get to pick our party members. But neither do we have to support those who have gone astray.

The Republican Party has lost its way. The amount of damage that the two Bushes have done to the Reagan Miracle is mind boggling. I met Ronald Reagan on two occasions, and spoke with him briefly both times. There are no words to describe the concrete-ness of the vision that man embraced, and his eight years in the White House were testimony to his constant effort to achieve a return to representative republican government, whose basis is a reverence for individual liberty, accompanied by a prescribed minimal role for government.

The list of ‘accomplishments’ that both Bushes have achieved include countless ‘accomplishments’ that both eroded Reagan’s achievements and compromised with the left so significantly that it was often difficult to discern the ‘R’ behind their names.

I am an American first, a conservative second, and a Republican third. And if I see a fellow ‘Republican’ working against the conservative credo I will speak out. If I see a ‘conservative’ working against what is best for America, I will speak out. If I see an American working against our republic, I will question his allegiance.

We appear to be in general agreement as to the path down which our republic should be heading. But we vehemently disagree on where our ‘allegiance’ must lie in order to set her back on that path. I do not bear allegiance to a party, but rather to the vision of our Founders. Far be it from me to speak for them, but I suspect they would be terribly disappointed in George Bush’s lack of courage in not attempting to use the bully pulpit to educate the people as to the treason being committed in Washington every day. Instead, he himself is whitewashing, and compromising with, criminal behavior. His speech last night was a glaring example of that, and it is that kind of weakness that got us into this mess in the first place.

Our ends are the same. Our means appear to be vastly different.

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Having your list at the ready should prove very helpful in future confrontations. Thanks.

~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed

124 posted on 09/27/2008 3:59:46 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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