Posted on 09/25/2008 9:45:36 PM PDT by joanie-f
Edited on 09/30/2008 5:17:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I don’t quite understand your question. Can you elaborate?
~ joanie
~ joanie
Two years ago he went before the American people and promised to do everything within his power to close our southern border, and then proceeded to take a few half-hearted steps to do so, followed by countless full-hearted steps to see to it that it remains open.
Bush is far more loyal to a global ideology than he is to the people he has sworn to protect, and the nation whose sovereignty he has sworn to defend.
At the same time, despite his pandering to minorities, I believe that congress is more culpable in this economic crises. The role that the Community Reinvestment Act played is large, and the numbers in congress who knuckled under to pressure from groups such an ACORN, causing them to pressure banks and mortgage holders to weaken their underwriting requiements, are astounding.
While Bush certainly isn't free of blame for the meltdown, I believe the leftists in Congress played a significantly greater role.
As for Krauthammer and the other political pundits on FoxNews (and elsewhere) ... while I agree with much of what Krauthammer and his ilk say, they rarely, if ever, say enough.
In all news reporting today, other than white papers and the like, superficiality rules. I think the reasons for that are twofold: (1) the attention span of the average American can be measured in nanoseconds, and (2) soundbite opinion, just like soundbite 'news' reporting, carries the most impact.
As a result, extraordinarily important back-up information (such as the information provided in the links you posted) goes all but unreported. As a result, most Americans hold opinions based primarily on frequency of repetition. If you ask them to back up those opinions with facts, you are generally greeted with a blank stare.
Not the stuff of which a people who intend to retain their liberties is generally made.
Thank you so much for your insightful post.
~ joanie
Allegiance and Duty Betrayed
Don't know. I'm not the author of the video. We use what we can get our hands on to spread the word.
~ joanie
~ joanie
I never voted for that crook. His were the only elections in which I've never voted for the Republican ticket. I knew all I needed to know about him when he said, "There ought to be limits to freedom." after unsuccessfully trying to shut down a web site that parodied his own campaign site.
The role that the Community Reinvestment Act played is large, and the numbers in congress who knuckled under to pressure from groups such an ACORN, causing them to pressure banks and mortgage holders to weaken their underwriting requiements, are astounding.
That's just it. The CRA, through ACORN, was one of the conduits of money to the illegal alien market.
Mortgages to Illegal Immigrants Come Under Fire:
...Manuel Lopez came to the U.S. on a tourist visa in 1999 after his bus-driving business in Ecuador failed due to runaway inflation. He stayed here illegally and eventually brought over his wife and son and had another daughter here. He makes about 40-thousand dollars a year working for a downtown Chicago parking garage. Two years ago, he started looking to buy a house but the interest rates his broker quoted him were 8 to 9 percent. Then he heard about a program with much better terms run by Citibank and the non-profit group Acorn Housing.
...He bought the house for 230-thousand dollars with a 30-year fixed rate mortgage set at 6 percent. The program required that he pay three percent down. Lopez is just one of about 900 undocumented immigrants who have gotten mortgages from the Citibank Acorn program nationwide in the past few years. And they’re by no means the only ones in the business....
Under the guise of "consumer advocacy," ACORN has received money from the Department of Housing and Urban Development. HUD funds hundreds, if not thousands, of left-wing "anti-poverty" groups across the country led by ACORN. Last October, HUD announced more than $44 million in new housing counseling grants to over 400 state and local efforts. The White House has increased funding for housing counseling by 150 percent since taking office in 2001, despite the role most of these recipients play as activist satellites of the Democratic Party. The AARP scored nearly $400,000 for training; the National Council of La Raza ("The Race") scooped up more than $1.3 million; the National Urban League raked in nearly $1 million; and the ACORN Housing Corporation received more than $1.6 million.
As the Consumer Rights League points out in its new expose, the ACORN Housing Corporation has worked to obtain mortgages for illegal aliens in partnership with Citibank. It relies on undocumented income, "under the table" money, which may not be reported to the Internal Revenue Service. Moreover, the group's "financial justice" operations attack lenders for "exotic" loans, while recommending 10-year interest-only loans (which deny equity to the buyer) and risky reverse mortgages. Whistleblower documents reveal internal discussions among the group that blur the lines between its tax-exempt housing work and its aggressive electioneering activities. The group appears to shake down corporate interests with relentless PR attacks, and then enters "no lobby" agreements with targeted corporations after receiving payment.
Meanwhile, everyone involved has been looking the other way.
The government didn't force banks to supply this market. It's the other way around. The banks wanted to go after the untapped illegal alien market, so they supported candidates, such as Bush, so they would do the banks' bidding. The banks helped get Bush elected, so repaying the banks was Bush's first order of business.
While Bush certainly isn't free of blame for the meltdown, I believe the leftists in Congress played a significantly greater role.
Personally, I think they're equally culpable. One couldn't have done it without the other.
It's true that Clinton greatly expanded the size and scope of CRA, but his changes only applied to American citizens (or legal residents) who were answerable to American laws.
When Bush opened the system up to Mexican illegal aliens, who are beyond reach of our criminal and/or civil courts, he made US citizens responsible to foreign nationals' debts.
Of the two, Bush's actions were worse, IMO.
...while I agree with much of what Krauthammer and his ilk say, they rarely, if ever, say enough.
Off the record, Senator...
That's why I don't listen to these guys any more. They only tell you what they want you to hear, not what you need to know to make an informed decision.
No, to say too much is to lose your insider status.
In all news reporting today, other than white papers and the like, superficiality rules.
I agree.
Not the stuff of which a people who intend to retain their liberties is generally made.
Quite true.
Thank you so much for your insightful post.
You're welcome.
It is the liberal mainstream media that has brainwashed and deceived the American people into thinking that Democrats/Socialists are not a threat to freedom and prosperity in America which they certainly are.
Government should just get out of the way of private businesses and leave them and us the working people alone.
Government and Government planning can never work because that is socialism. If any of you believe government works then read Milton Friedman's statement on my page (and Hayek's statement).
Essentially, Hayek argued that no one individual, or even group of well-informed individuals, could ever have enough knowledge to plan a market. Hayek said that knowledge was localized, meaning every individual has the best knowledge about their specific place, condition, needs and resources, but no one had enough knowledge about anyone else’s to make decisions for them.
small excerpt from Milton Friedman's statement:
But that command method (of the government) can be the exclusive or even principal method of organization only in a very small group.(how can a government,an individual, run an economy, an industry? he can't). Not even the most autocratic head of a family can control every act of other family members entirely by order. No sizable army can really be run entirely by command. The general cannot conceivably have the information necessary to direct every movement of the lowliest private. At every step in the chain of command, the soldier, whether officer or private, must have discretion to take into account information about specific circumstances that his commanding officer could not have. Commands must be supplemented by voluntary cooperation—a less obvious and more subtle, but far more fundamental, technique of coordinating the activities of large numbers of people. Russia is the standard example of a large economy that is supposed to be organized by command—a centrally planned economy.
I say: It's details, details. An evil,corrupt, incompetent, unaccountable government bureaucrat or politician could never have all the knowledge that all the individual bankers have , all the very detailed knowledge that each banker has for his/her section of the market. Learn that socialism/government ownership and planning CAN NEVER work, never, never! These are just 2 reasons. READ the works and books of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek to LEARN about how the economy works.
Free markets/Capitalism work. Socialism/Government doesn't but as government grows it just drives the productive private sector down and takes that money ($4 trillion per year) that could be productive in the private sector and wastes most of it. There is your problem in the economy , that the federal government sucks 3.2 trillion per year and that state and local governments even more from the productive private sector. That and the huge debts , unfunded liabilities and deficits the GOVERNMENT has run up and up and up. How big is the federal government's debt? 9.7 TRILLIION IS the PUBLIC government federal debt. and you think that our economic trouble is the fault of private bankers. NO the cause of the U.S.'s economic woes is the government, the 9.7 trillion in debt the government has run up along with the 3.2 trillion $ budget,53 trillion $ in unfunded liabilites, the deficit, and government interference in the free market.
Did you know that the US government has accumulated $53 trillion of direct and indirect debt? : well here is the proof: www.financialsense.com/editorials/turk/2008/0109.html
And all of you the public, even many freepers, keep calling for more government "reining" in of private bankers, and more government regulation, and jailing bankers etc., more government. When will you , the public and the liberal media and the Democrats get it that the government/Socialism is a cancer on the economy that never works. If the fact that the government has run up a 53 trillion dollar debt doesn't give the public a clue that government doesn't work , then I can see why the economy is in trouble, because no one has a clue as to how the economy works and that government must be kept out of the economy and small at all costs.
The government must be cut down to size so that only the military, border control , courts and police are the only government agencies , period. So let it be written, So let it be done.
I’m sending this to everybody in my address book.
Bravo! Lock and Load.
Google/YouTube took down this video from their main site due to a Warner Bros. copyright infringement.
The infamous “they” are trying to purge the video from the Net. One can view the video only on those web pages that have the video directly embedded (rather than linked to YouTube).
This thread is a waste of prime real estate. The video is old news, too long, and has too much annoying music. It won’t hold attention. It should be replaced with the smoking gun in the following thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2093377/posts
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here’s another one ... if you haven’t seen it yet. A must see
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194240.php
We’re getting rid of Bush. It is these other guys that we have to fight at the moment.
Thanks again for all your great work making FR possible.
We are right behind ya! CHARGE!
We have to mount a grass roots effort. It was the everyday people in this country, the farmers and workers, who led the revolution...we had a few political leaders on our side, just like we do today...
We have to go around the liberal media. We have to be our own media. print pamphlets on your computer and hand them out, all over! Know the facts, and be able to calmly articulate the conservative message. We have to be the leaders we wish for. people are just waiting for someone to step out, and speak what they are thinking. Obama tapped into that need of Americans. Into that Void. We have a void of leadership. The People are unhappy with Bush, and congress. We need a leader, someone with a strategy for rebuilding America.
I have written as much to McCain. Asked him to lead. He is in Senator mode, when we need a Captain of a ship, because the ship is going down! I pray that he is brave enough to take the mantle of leadership on his shoulders.
A lot of people share your belief. This is what is hurting our country. If we can not trust our leaders, how can the problems be worked out?
We need to fire all of congress, and vote in McCain/Palin. It is our best hope. Start over, and send a message.
Need the paper trail in written form so i can hand it out
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