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To: counterpunch
Ok. I'm a fan of free markets. No bailout is the right thing morally to do.

Now, do you want to live with Obama as pres and a much bigger house and senate majority if there is no bailout and the financial structure heads south and all we hear for the next 45 days is how Republicans don't "care about the little guy?"

I don't see how we get out of this without either a financial meltdown or a political meltdown. We get one or the other.

7 posted on 09/24/2008 2:02:18 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS

It would be interesting to see how many of those earthquakes and other disasters actually come if the Treasury let the market decide the value of these mortgages.


17 posted on 09/24/2008 2:06:48 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Old and Busted: Barack 0bama, New Hotness: Sarah Palin)
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To: LS

I agree. We are between a rock and a hard place. Whatever the bailout, taxpayers must be reimbursed with tax credits or rebates whenever the economy recovers. No taking of the earnings and “spending” them on taxpayer “benefits.”


19 posted on 09/24/2008 2:07:39 PM PDT by StraightDave (.)
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To: LS

Larry, I can’t see this bailout being a good thing. If banks get the insulation from their bad debt, they will be very quick to pull the trigger on foreclosures so the taxpayer will take over the “asset.” Then we have the scenario of having bailed out the fat cats while regular folks are thrown out of their homes coming into elections. And later, when the government fire-sales the repos, how does that help sagging housing prices?


22 posted on 09/24/2008 2:08:24 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: LS

No....no bailout. Socialism is never the answer no matter who is doing it

If this bailout passes....McCain loses, easily. He can forget any independent voters, and Obama will rant on about McCain and the “bailout”


54 posted on 09/24/2008 2:31:18 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Pro-Illegal, Soros-funded, Open Borders...sounds like Ob--...wait thats McCain)
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To: LS

“I don’t see how we get out of this without either a financial meltdown or a political meltdown.”

If this Treasury plan does not get implemented, you will have both. The economy will tank and the Dems will win the Presidency and gain seats in the Congress. Then the costs will be much greater than $700B. And speaking of that, it is not a $700B cost (i.e. bailout). It is a $700B investment to free up credit in the markets. The government has the luxury of holding these securities until maturity if necessary, these companies don’t because of capital requirements associated with decreased asset values. As the economy & housing market improves the value of the securities the government will increase in value as well (or at least the underlying assets). Much, if not all, of the $700B should be earned back.

I’d rather invest $700B in these securities than spend much more than that in the Dem programs that they will pass, along with higher taxes, if they gain control of government.

My guess is some version of the Treasury plan will be passed by next week.


62 posted on 09/24/2008 2:37:00 PM PDT by frankjr (Stand up Chuck, let 'em see ya!!! Ohhhhhh.)
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To: LS

Perhaps a partial bailout where the CEOs and board members of the failed financial businesses have to forfeit their paychecks and golden parachutes and all money donated to any and politicians have to be returned to help fund the bailout.

AND, laws that restrict gov’t from ever doing this ever again.

AND, turn all but the most essential gov’t programs into NAFI’s (non-appropriated fund instrumentalities, can get a start up loan but must pay it and run a profitable business in the free market)


69 posted on 09/24/2008 2:45:08 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (Pro Life from conception to natural death)
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To: LS
"I don't see how we get out of this without either a financial meltdown or a political meltdown. We get one or the other.

LS, It just take a little imagination. If #142 isn't a good alternative, something like that is.

143 posted on 09/24/2008 5:33:50 PM PDT by elfman2 (TheRightReasons.net - Reasoning CONSERVATIVES without the kooks.)
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To: LS

Agree 100%.


158 posted on 09/24/2008 7:00:34 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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