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College Panel Calls for Less Focus on SATs
New York Times ^ | September 21, 2008 | Sara Rimer

Posted on 09/23/2008 11:44:06 PM PDT by reaganaut1

A commission convened by some of the country’s most influential college admissions officials is recommending that colleges and universities move away from their reliance on SAT and ACT scores and shift toward admissions exams more closely tied to the high school curriculum and achievement.

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It encourages institutions to consider dropping admission test requirements unless they can prove that the benefits of such tests outweigh the negatives.

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Mr. Fitzsimmons’s group, which was convened by the National Association for College Admission Counseling, also expresses concerns “that test scores appear to calcify differences based on class, race/ethnicity and parental educational attainment.” The report calls on admissions officials to be aware of such differences and to ensure that differences not related to a student’s ability to succeed academically be “mitigated in the admission process.”

“Society likes to think that the SAT measures people’s ability or merit,” Mr. Fitzsimmons said. “But no one in college admissions who visits the range of secondary schools we visit, and goes to the communities we visit — where you see the contrast between opportunities and fancy suburbs and some of the high schools that aren’t so fancy — can come away thinking that standardized tests can be a measure of someone’s true worth or ability.”

Mr. Fitzsimmons said that at Harvard high school grades and the College Board’s individual subject tests are considered better predictors of college success than the SAT, also administered by the College Board, or ACT, and that the university is studying the use of standardized tests in its admissions. He added that it was possible that the university might eventually make such tests optional.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: academia; college; collegeadmissions; highereducation; sat
The real objection to the SAT is that it interferes with the left's obsession with socieconomic and especially racial "diversity".

Fitzsimmons' comment that standardized tests do not measure "someone’s true worth or ability" is stupid. "True worth" is too nebulous a concept to be measured in any way. There *is* evidence that standardized tests measure (imperfectly, as all measurements do) the academic ability needed to succeed in college.

1 posted on 09/23/2008 11:44:06 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

What should they rely on? An intensive series of interrogations? The feeling they get deep down in their hearts when they read an application? Coin flips?


2 posted on 09/23/2008 11:47:40 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: reaganaut1

This sounds a lot like “calls to put less focus on credit ratings for mortgage lending” to get more people in home ownership...

We all know where that led...


3 posted on 09/23/2008 11:55:17 PM PDT by DB
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Oh, this is a good one. The stupid mindless twits can't pass the test so lets eliminate the test. Typical marxist idiotic logic. Let me suggest we use the same logic when qualifying doctors and lawyers and such.
4 posted on 09/23/2008 11:56:23 PM PDT by A6M3
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To: reaganaut1

You nailed it. The SAT (even after PC based dumbing down) is one of the few semi-objective measures of actual intelligence remaining. Of course the leftists want to kill it.


5 posted on 09/24/2008 12:03:34 AM PDT by piytar
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well at least have them say their ABC’s,you could get 80% of applicants in that way,,but no one wants their enemies to understand or think in any advanced or independent way,,its sad in todays world that we struggle so hard to make things better and keep our good traditions and values and are attacked in every way at every turn by enemies within and without,,how long can we hold out?


6 posted on 09/24/2008 12:05:54 AM PDT by coalman (type to slow to be relevant,but I try)
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To: Tublecane
I know! They can play a game with lots of folding and cutting

7 posted on 09/24/2008 12:08:03 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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The stupid bleeding heart, only worry about today, never tomorrow or long term consequences, as a result they are taking us down the socialist path, which ALWAYS leads to misery, poverty, and starvation. SOCIALISM fails when ever it is tried, it is philosophy of crooks and losers, and it CANNOT WORK, EXCEPT IT. All they are doing is stealing resources away from winners, and wasting them on losers.


8 posted on 09/24/2008 12:19:27 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: A6M3
Why, don't you believe in the inherent equality of all men in all things, and the ultimate perfectibility of mankind?

You stupid sod. You sound just like those incredibly misguided (and of course, racist) people who founded the United States of America.

I trust a < /sarc> tag isn't necessary.

9 posted on 09/24/2008 12:24:22 AM PDT by SAJ
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“that test scores appear to calcify differences based on class, race/ethnicity and parental educational attainment.”

Nope. It all breaks down to breakfast. If you have something for breakfast which gives you really obnoxxious gas, you can make those around you sick, and (in between gas pains) do better than they do on the test, which will make your score look relatively good for that year. /sarc.

Makes just as much sense as that drivel.

Yes, opportunities can make a difference, but there were those of us who took advantage of every opportunity we had and tested higher than those from nicer and better funded schools who did not apply themselves.

If you are trying to protect people who do not apply themselves and school administrators and staff who have failed miserably despite ever-increasing injections of taxpayer dollars, I would imagine anything which approaches an objective standard measure of individual academic achievement would be anathema to you.

10 posted on 09/24/2008 12:33:47 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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"College Panel Calls for Less Focus on SATs"

Oh, yeah! That will work, because through globalism, we've eliminated any need for engineers in the USA forever and ever. ;-D

The wise will take cover and store necessities.


11 posted on 09/24/2008 1:40:51 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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"The real objection to the SAT is that it interferes with the left's obsession with socieconomic and especially racial "diversity"

Well, in part. These schools don't really give a rip about socioeconomic diversity. The vast majority of blacks admitted as affirmative action admits in these top universities come from decidedly middle-class to upper middle-class minority families--not from the ghetto.

Note how they never study how rural areas or poor whites and Asians are affected. Why? Because they don't care.
12 posted on 09/24/2008 2:33:26 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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If ya use the S.A.T. test then it is harder to pack schools with whatever minority percentage ya care to use as admissions officers.
Ain’t higher education grand?


13 posted on 09/24/2008 2:57:14 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: reaganaut1

I think it is wrong for the universities to require me to meet any minimum requirements. I feel as if I could be a very good Brain Surgeon. :0)


14 posted on 09/24/2008 5:08:36 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: reaganaut1

We’ve got to get more Obama’s into Columbia and Harvard.


15 posted on 09/24/2008 6:38:35 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Conceal carry - Don't leave home without it.)
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