Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Dick Bachert; All
Can you or someone please tell me what is wrong with being a John Birch member? My dad was a member and I looked it up and could find nothing wrong with the organization. Why are they always put down in print like, say, the Communist Party or other radical organizations. What do they believe in that is anti-American? Aloha
49 posted on 09/19/2008 9:01:12 AM PDT by fish hawk (a taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies ]


To: fish hawk

Because the Birchers WERE right about what was going on THEN and correct in predicting what is going on NOW in terms of those in power destroying American sovereignty and merging us into some BS cockamaimie One World Utopia where our would-be masters would be more equal than others.

For those reasons, the controlled national media was put to work belittling and discrediting the JBS. Sadly for us, they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams to the point where even MENTIONING the JBS in “polite” company elicited snears and smirks and dismissive hand gestures.

I was a a member for over 10 years but let my membership lapse so I could continue to try to educate those around me to what was being done to us while answering the simpering and frequent question “Are you a Bircher?” with an honest “No.”

At a philosophical level, as the grandfather of six kids who, if these One World B**TARDS DO have their way with this nation, will live as virtual serfs, I never left the JBS! Knowing what I know, I never will!

And for those who claim there’s really nothing going on behind the curtain (i.e. a “CONSPIRACY”), read on.

For those suffering from ADD, a video series on all of this is at

ORIGINS OF THE UN, PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAzl21AfnZU

ORIGINS OF THE UN, PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0qV2OM8ajQ

ORIGINS OF THE UN, PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrkshIXYiPs

Carroll Quigley was Bill Clinton’s MENTOR at Georgetown and praised Quigley in his acceptance speech.

Conspiracy?? NAAAHHHHH!!

“Tragedy & Hope” Carroll Quigley, Macmillan Co, NY 1966 Partial pages 949-950

The radical Right version of these events as written up by John T. Flynn, Freda Utley, and others, was even more remote from the truth than were Budenz’s or Bentley’s versions, although it had a tremendous impact on American opinion and American relations with other counties in the years 1947-1955. This radical Right fairy tale, which is now an accepted folk myth in many groups in America, pictured the recent history of the United States, in regard to domestic reform and in foreign affairs, as a well-organized plot by extreme Left-wing elements, operating from the White House itself and controlling all the chief avenues of publicity in the United States, to destroy the American way of life, based on private enterprise, laissez faire, and isolationism, in behalf of alien ideologies of Russian Socialism and British cosmopolitanism (or internationalism). This plot, if we are to believe the myth, worked through such avenues of publicity as The New York Times and the Herald Tribune, the Christian Science Monitor and the Washington Post, the Atlantic Monthly and Harper’s Magazine and had at its core the wild-eyed and bushy-haired theoreticians of Socialist Harvard and the London School of Economics. It was determined to bring the United States into World War II on the side of England (Roosevelt’s first love) and Soviet Russia (his second love) in order to destroy every finer element of American life and, as part of this consciously planned scheme, invited Japan to attack Pearl Harbor, and destroyed Chiang Kai-shek, all the while undermining America’s real strength by excessive spending and unbalanced budgets.

This myth, like all fables, does in fact have a modicum of truth. There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960’s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies (notably to its belief that England was an Atlantic rather than a European Power and must be allied, or even federated, with the United States and must remain isolated from Europe, but in general my chief difference of opinion IS THAT IT WISHES TO REMAIN UNKNOWN (emphasis added) and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.
The Round Table Groups have already been mentioned in this book several times, n6tably in connection with the formation of the British Commonwealth in chapter 4 and in the discussion of appeasement in chapter 12 (”the Cliveden Set”). At the risk of some repetition, the story will be summarized here, because the’ American branch of this organization (sometimes called the “Eastern Establishment”) has played a very significant role in the history of the United States in the last generation.

The Round Table’ Groups were semi-secret discussion and lobbying groups organized by Lionel Curtis, Philip H. Kerr (Lord Lothian), and (Sir) William S. Marris in 1908-1911. This was done on behalf of Lord Milner, the dominant Trustee of the Rhodes Trust in the two decades 1905-1925. The original purpose of these groups was to seek to federate the English-speaking world along lines laid down by Cecil Rhodes (I 853-1902) and William T. Stead (1849-1912), and the money for the organizational work came originally from the Rhodes Trust. By 1915 Round Table groups existed in seven countries, including England, South Africa, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, and a rather loosely organized group in the United States (George Louis Beer, Walter Lippmann, Frank Aydelotte, Whitney Shepardson, Thomas W. Lamont, Jerome D. Greene, Erwin D. Canham of the Christian Science Monitor, and others). The attitudes of the various groups were coordinated by frequent visits and discussions and by a well-informed and totally anonymous quarterly magazine, The Round Table, whose first issue, largely written by Philip Kerr, appeared in November 1910.


50 posted on 09/19/2008 9:36:13 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies ]

To: fish hawk

Because the Birchers WERE right about what was going on THEN and correct in predicting what is going on NOW in terms of those in power destroying American sovereignty and merging us into some BS cockamaimie One World Utopia where our would-be masters would be more equal than others.

For those reasons, the controlled national media was put to work belittling and discrediting the JBS. Sadly for us, they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams to the point where even MENTIONING the JBS in “polite” company elicited sneers and smirks and dismissive hand gestures.

I was a a member for over 10 years but let my membership lapse so I could continue to try to educate those around me to what was being done to us while answering the simpering and frequent question “Are you a Bircher?” with an honest “No.”

At a philosophical level, as the grandfather of six kids who, if these One World B**TARDS DO have their way with this nation, will live as virtual serfs, I never left the JBS! Knowing what I know, I never will!

And for those who claim there’s really nothing going on behind the curtain (i.e. a “CONSPIRACY”), read on.

For those suffering from ADD, a video series on all of this is at

ORIGINS OF THE UN, PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAzl21AfnZU

ORIGINS OF THE UN, PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0qV2OM8ajQ

ORIGINS OF THE UN, PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrkshIXYiPs

Carroll Quigley was Bill Clinton’s MENTOR at Georgetown and praised Quigley in his acceptance speech.

Conspiracy?? NAAAHHHHH!!

“Tragedy & Hope” Carroll Quigley, Macmillan Co, NY 1966 Partial pages 949-950

The radical Right version of these events as written up by John T. Flynn, Freda Utley, and others, was even more remote from the truth than were Budenz’s or Bentley’s versions, although it had a tremendous impact on American opinion and American relations with other counties in the years 1947-1955. This radical Right fairy tale, which is now an accepted folk myth in many groups in America, pictured the recent history of the United States, in regard to domestic reform and in foreign affairs, as a well-organized plot by extreme Left-wing elements, operating from the White House itself and controlling all the chief avenues of publicity in the United States, to destroy the American way of life, based on private enterprise, laissez faire, and isolationism, in behalf of alien ideologies of Russian Socialism and British cosmopolitanism (or internationalism). This plot, if we are to believe the myth, worked through such avenues of publicity as The New York Times and the Herald Tribune, the Christian Science Monitor and the Washington Post, the Atlantic Monthly and Harper’s Magazine and had at its core the wild-eyed and bushy-haired theoreticians of Socialist Harvard and the London School of Economics. It was determined to bring the United States into World War II on the side of England (Roosevelt’s first love) and Soviet Russia (his second love) in order to destroy every finer element of American life and, as part of this consciously planned scheme, invited Japan to attack Pearl Harbor, and destroyed Chiang Kai-shek, all the while undermining America’s real strength by excessive spending and unbalanced budgets.

This myth, like all fables, does in fact have a modicum of truth. There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960’s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies (notably to its belief that England was an Atlantic rather than a European Power and must be allied, or even federated, with the United States and must remain isolated from Europe, but in general my chief difference of opinion IS THAT IT WISHES TO REMAIN UNKNOWN (emphasis added) and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.
The Round Table Groups have already been mentioned in this book several times, n6tably in connection with the formation of the British Commonwealth in chapter 4 and in the discussion of appeasement in chapter 12 (”the Cliveden Set”). At the risk of some repetition, the story will be summarized here, because the’ American branch of this organization (sometimes called the “Eastern Establishment”) has played a very significant role in the history of the United States in the last generation.

The Round Table’ Groups were semi-secret discussion and lobbying groups organized by Lionel Curtis, Philip H. Kerr (Lord Lothian), and (Sir) William S. Marris in 1908-1911. This was done on behalf of Lord Milner, the dominant Trustee of the Rhodes Trust in the two decades 1905-1925. The original purpose of these groups was to seek to federate the English-speaking world along lines laid down by Cecil Rhodes (I 853-1902) and William T. Stead (1849-1912), and the money for the organizational work came originally from the Rhodes Trust. By 1915 Round Table groups existed in seven countries, including England, South Africa, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, and a rather loosely organized group in the United States (George Louis Beer, Walter Lippmann, Frank Aydelotte, Whitney Shepardson, Thomas W. Lamont, Jerome D. Greene, Erwin D. Canham of the Christian Science Monitor, and others). The attitudes of the various groups were coordinated by frequent visits and discussions and by a well-informed and totally anonymous quarterly magazine, The Round Table, whose first issue, largely written by Philip Kerr, appeared in November 1910.


51 posted on 09/19/2008 9:36:37 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson