Posted on 09/17/2008 3:56:37 PM PDT by wagglebee
In fairness, the author is just one guy, who follows one particular branch of libertarianism, writing for an organization that I first heard about from reading this thread.
He doesn't speak for Libertarians as a whole anymore than Ron Paul speaks for Republicans as a whole.
So life is now dependent on whether you can “pay” for that life or not.
So I guess we can all forget about Africa now.. we are absolved of having to give aid to anyone.. homeless.. African.. disabled.
They aren’t “productive”.
Well if you ever needed an excuse to kill people.. you apparently have one now.
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Location: Alexandria, VA USA
Birthday: July 23(Remind me)
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I would remind this Marine of his own birthday, but it would probably fall on deaf ears. In an address (about antitrust) given to the doctors of the Colorado Medical Society on May 04, 2003, he said,
"...The founders' application of the principle of individual rights to America created the greatest nation in the history of humankind. As the recipients of this legacy; we should demand a more perfect application of these principles to our relationships. The great John Hancock, signer of the Declaration of Independence and financier of the revolution has this Latin phrase engraved on his tombstone: Obsta Principiis Resist the first encroachments..."He quotes the Declaration apparently blind to that part of it that affirms that the individual Right to Life is an inalienable gift from the Creator, which neither he or anyone else has the right to deny to the innocent.
His sanctimonious moralizing is perverted on its face. What kind of person express moral revulsion and condemnation for not killing an innocent human being? He certainly is not a believer in the Creator referred to in the Declaration of Independence. By denying that Divine and Transcendent foundation of morality and ethics acknowledged by the Founders, he vitiates the only possible ground for his moral outrage. He will never be able to explain or account for the objective and unchanging nature of moral notions like good or evil that that he just takes for granted as an unargued philosophical bias, and for which he presumes to be the arbiter and spokesman.
I am the father of a Down Syndrome child named Maximilian who died suddenly about twenty years ago at the age of two and a half. Max was one of the sweetest, most beautiful blessings from God that I have ever known. Somewhere on this thread such children are called "Ambassadors of God". Yes. That's what Max was to me. He truly was a most excellent gift of God. I miss him to this day.
People such as Mr. Provenzo who suggest that precious little ones like Maximilian should be killed make my blood boil, and they will find in me an opponent as fierce, resolute and determined to defend them as any Marine. In the end I might not be the match of the Marine, but they might find me a much harder target than defenseless children, those very ambassadors of God, whom he wants to exterminate.
Obsta Principiis, Mr. Provenzo. Obsta Principiis. You can count on it.
Cordially,
I don’t see her as a feminist. Feminist is a dirty word. Their agenda over the years has been abortion and abortion only.
Sarah’s a woman. A real woman.
If this human scum thinks that babies who will be a burden on society should be aborted, I wonder if he therefore supports forcing all pregnant welfare moms to abort, since their babies will definitely be a burden on society.
I’d have been aborted because I’m not 5’11 and blond.....
“Technically, I’m opposed to contraception, but since demographics really IS destiny, I can’t feel too bad that the family-haters are doing it.”
And this is why we’re going to eventually eliminate prenatal infanticide in this country. Not because of the actions of judges and politicians. But because children tend to reflect the attitudes and beliefs of their parents. Those who are pro-creation are having lots of kids who will reflect the attitudes and beliefs of their parents. As will their children. And so on.
The culture of death, on the other hand, is dying it’s ethic. Their children would reflect their attitudes and beliefs. But they’re aborting and contracepting those children.
Math is very difficult to beat.
“Pro-death Catholics are a very small minority, this IS NOT the case with libertarians.”
I respectfully disagree. I think if you were to survey those who identify themselves as Catholic, you’d find that the differences in attitudes towards prenatal infanticide and those of the general population are not that different. Unfortunately. Here’s an old (but interesting) story from National Catholic Reporter:
http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2005c/093005/093005o.php
As for libertarians generally being in favor of prenatal infanticide, I would tend to agree. But I think you greatly overstate the point. There is a healthy minority who strongly oppose the practice and who are just as libertarian in their views otherwise.
“Another difference is that Catholicism is a religion, NOT a political ideology.”
You apparently haven’t been around libertarians much. They often times are more zealous in their philosophical beliefs than folks who are religious.
It was discovering the pro-choice plank of the Libertarian Party that made me realize that they are not a healthy addition to the American debate. "Pro-choice" is simply a term applied as window-dressing.
It means "pro-death." Folks can argue all they want with that, but the fact is that pro-choice = pro-abortion = pro-death.
And it puts the lie to the very "liberty" that underlies the first part of the "liber"tarian name. They don't believe in liberty. How can they possibly believe that denying any innocent person the Right to LIVE is pro-liberty? What the hell difference does liberty make if someone is permitted to MURDER you?
They simply aren't "Liber"Tarian. They are "Death"otarians....NecroTarians.
Most Americans will hear his calace and disgusting words and be revolted by it and drawn all the more to Sarah.
Sarah Palin is shaking the leftist-liberal and this culture of death house to its foundation, and bringing it down. She and her family, their faith, their values, and their story represent the absolute refutation of all the tired old liberal mantras and victimology that they malignantly use to mentally, pshycologically, and financially enslave whole classes of people.
From women's rights, to family values, to gun rights, to the choice for life, to energy policy, to taxation, to envrionmentalism, and on and on...she is a wrecking ball to the leftist, liberal, socialist house.
I believe that all people, at their core, want freedom -- the freedom to be happy and to succeed without the government controlling their lives. Sarah Palin and her family represent this brilliantly.
Sarah Palin is the first national candidate since Reagan that the average American can genuinely identify with, she is our neighbor, friend, coworker, etc. and the left simply doesn't know how to address that.
Exactly! The concept of "personal freedom" DOES NOT release us from our moral obligation to defend the rights of others, because if it did then "personal freedom" would actually be anarchy and anarchy and liberty cannot coexist.
Amen to all of that.
Libertarians fall into 2 groups:
1) Those who believe that life begins at conception. Life is the most fundamental of all our gifts from God and, indeed, having life makes liberty and the pursuit of happiness possible. I belong to this group of Libertarians.
2) Those who believe that the woman’s body has more rights that the life of her infant.
Sounds like the pro-choice Provenzo doesn't like the choice for life.
Sounds like he suffers from "a lifetime of endless burdens."
Hey, why haven’t you pinged your libertarian buddies to this thread?
Because it’s a despicable, idiotic statement, that’s why.
What’s your point? Do you even know the first thing about liberty? Liberty is impossible without life.
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