Posted on 09/17/2008 11:05:13 AM PDT by Paul Ross
Russia to help Cuba build space center
Author: Conor Sweeney, Reuters News 09/17/2008
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Moscow is ready to help Cuba develop its own space center, Russia's space agency chief said on Wednesday after talks in Caracas with Venezuelan and Cuban officials, Itar-Tass news agency reported.
Russia has stepped up efforts to develop closer links with both countries, which are ideological enemies of Washington, including sending Russian strategic bombers on a mission to Venezuela this month.
"We have held preliminary discussions about the possibility of creating a space center in Cuba with our help," the chief of Russia's Federal Space Agency Anatoly Perminov was quoted as saying by Itar-Tass in Caracas.
"With our Cuban colleagues, we discussed the possibilities of joint use of space equipment ... and the joint use of space communications systems," Perminov was quoted as saying.
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin visited Cuba this week and together with representatives from several Russian ministries and large Russian companies looked at ways to help Cuba recover from hurricanes Gustav and Ike.
Renewed Russian links to the Caribbean island will stir memories in Washington of the 1962 Cuban missile crisis when the United States and Soviet Union almost went to war over Soviet missile bases on Cuba, which is 90 miles from U.S. shores.
Russian officials have said they want to renew Cuban ties that were neglected after the Soviet Union's collapse.
Russia to help Cuba build space center
Chief of Russia's space agency Anatoly Perminov
gestures on a launch pad of a Russian Soyuz TMA-10
spacecraft on Baikonur Cosmodrome April 7, 2007.
REUTERS/Shamil Zhumatov
Comment: This appears to be a multi-prong Russian ploy. In tandem with China, its communist ally of the past, and ally pursuant to the secretive Shanghai Pact, it is endeavoring to infuse more influence and control into radicalized Latin American against the U.S., plus bolster their military surveillance (their old listening post currently run by China) and to also further weaken the U.S. economy, likely by being able to underbid the U.S. launch industry on the very same orbital insertions that are uniquely associated with U.S. needs.
It could also be cover for a more overt threat to the U.S., of course, such as a missile launch platform...both IRBM...and possibly cruise missile, together with an associated healthy "air defense" of Cuba that might be able to interdict U.S. strategic air traffic.
With parts from 50s era Buicks and the occasional GAZ 24 Volga ... should be high tech. LOL.
Just what a country decimated by two severe hurricanes needs right now.
...to be called “The Cuban Rocket Crisis”
“With parts from 50s era Buicks and the occasional GAZ 24 Volga ... “
Hey, don’t laugh! Look what the Blackstronauts accomplished with similar material in the Old Negro Space Program:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xJzAYYrX8
courtesy of TheRealCuba
Russia can’t even build their own space center.
More sabre rattling from the pissy Putin.
Line in sand. Now.
Russia has proved they are the number 1 axis of evil in the world. Make no mistake. It’s time to cut all ties with Russia, kick the UN out of the US and rebuild and add to NATO. Russia is lost to it’s own people and us. We have to learn that to coddle these idiots will never work.
Bomb it to smithereens.
The last time the Russians tried this, the world almost blew up. I hope a Republican is President if they try it again, because this is not JFK’s Democrat Party.
I thought the US and USSR had some kind of agreement that we would not invade Cuba if the USSR removed its missiles. Well, now it’s time to invade Cuba.
The USSR no longer exists, so any agreements we signed with it are null and void.
Well, the Russian Communist leadership might well be the last one laughing. Check out this significantly disturbing story:
Extending shuttle's life won't fill gap for space station, NASA officials sayOrlando Sentinel 09/12/2008 Authors: Robert Block and Mark K. Matthews
Cape Canaveral - Even before NASA finishes its study into the possibility of flying the space shuttle beyond its scheduled retirement in 2010, top agency officials have concluded that extending the life of the orbiter fleet won't solve the problem of keeping the international space station operable for U.S. astronauts.
Instead, NASA officials have decided that they must persuade Congress to allow the agency to buy Russian Soyuz spacecraft to serve as transport vehicles and lifeboats for U.S. space-farers and their international partners.
Without the Soyuz, NASA says in a congressional briefing paper obtained by the Orlando Sentinel, it will have to abandon the station when the current contract with Russia ends in October 2011 and cede control of the $100 billion facility to Moscow.
"Continuing to fly the space shuttle past 2010 is not the answer to this situation," the paper says. "The Soyuz option is simply the only sure solution . . . or else the U.S. has no choice but to de-crew all U.S. astronauts (and de-facto the Canadian, European and Japanese astronauts) from the International Space Station in 2011."
The paper is part of a last-ditch effort by the agency to overcome congressional resistance to waiving a law banning high-tech purchases from Russia because of Moscow's nuclear dealings with Iran.
Administrator Michael Griffin has personally visited senior members of Congress this week, pleading for the waiver. NASA says it needs the waiver this year to give Russia the three-year lead time needed to build more Soyuz craft after the current U.S. supply runs out.
Despite the dramatic appeal, the waiver is far from certain. Moscow's recent invasion of Georgia has chilled U.S.-Russian relations.
Congressional aides in both parties said the key concern is time. Congress plans to recess in three weeks to hit the campaign trail, which means NASA must compete with other priorities, such as energy. And anti-Moscow sentiments run high.
"If any one senator objects, its going to be hard to get it done in the next three weeks," said U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., who said he's planning several legislative maneuvers to get the waiver passed.
"We don't like the position that we're in, but we don't have any choice if we want to access our own space station," he said.
'Jihad' against shuttle
The NASA lobbying effort also appears to undermine a newly initiated study of what it would take to keep the shuttle flying past 2010. Last week, Griffin said he expected the next president to order that the shuttle continue to fly.
Griffin privately had begun to question the wisdom of the 2010 deadline. In a confidential e-mail to his top advisers Aug. 18, he slammed the White House for what he called a "jihad" to shut down the shuttle and a desire to see the space station languish.
In that e-mail, Griffin also rejected the idea, advanced by some in the administration, that the Russians would be unable to run the space station without the United States. "We need them," he wrote. "They don't need us."
Griffin later said that the e-mail was taken out of context and that he supported the administration policy of retiring the shuttle in 2010 and relying on the Russians to keep U.S. astronauts on the space station. According to administration officials, Griffin was called to the White House this week to discuss how to press ahead with White House policy and pursue the congressional waiver.
The decision follows weeks of high-level internal NASA deliberations about the shuttle, and whether it could be flown twice a year to the space station until its successor Ares rocket is ready to fly in 2015.
Billion-dollar space janitors
According to documents and internal e-mails obtained by the Sentinel, senior officials argued that even if NASA could safely and affordably fly the shuttle for five more years, it would be a pointless exercise.
Because of the energy required to power its systems, the shuttle can't stay in space for more than two weeks at a time and can't be used as a lifeboat for the space station. Without the Soyuz, crew members couldn't remain on the station, meaning they would be little more than orbital janitors on short maintenance missions costing billions of dollars.
"At best . . . out of 365 days per year, Americans and [international partners] stay for 50 or so days," NASA Associate Administrator Shana Dale wrote in an Aug. 27 e-mail. The Soyuz, on the other hand, can stay in space for six months.
Dale's e-mail was written after Republican presidential nominee John McCain asked President Bush to order NASA to stop closing shuttle contracts in case the shuttle is needed to supply the space station.
McCain opposes relying on Russia for U.S. space travel.
But flying the shuttle, which already has had two fatal accidents, widely is seen as risky and is not popular even among some astronauts, especially because it eats up funds needed to develop NASA's next rocket, which is supposed to return humans to the moon.
In interviews this week, members of the upcoming shuttle mission to service the Hubble Space Telescope said it's possible to fly a few more shuttle missions safely but not without slowing down development of the next space vehicle.
If America wants a new vehicle, said commander Scott Altman, "you're going to have to spend the money to make that happen, which I think is going to take you out of the shuttle business sooner, or else you just never get to the other side."
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COMMENT: Think about how they are positioning themselves potentially to undermine our own domestic launch infrastructure...by offering right over in Cuba...launch vehicles and launch site... at half the price of our own...
This won't be the Cubans, except in name only. And make no mistake: It will be guys who run the KGB.
Oh .. and FIRE every NASA POS administrator and get them back to doing engineering.
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