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Live thread-House Energy Bill debate

Posted on 09/16/2008 4:51:53 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER

Tonight on C-SPAN is the unfolding debate regarding the Democrat's proposed 290 page energy bill. This bill severely limits potential oil production and includes price increasing taxes as well as a limit on drilling closer than 50 miles from the coast.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: congress; debate; drill; drilling; energy; noenergy; pelosi
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1 posted on 09/16/2008 4:51:54 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

The Democrats no energy for you, energy plan. What is wrong with these fruits and nuts Democrats.

I notice they aren’t using Nanny’s save the planet angle anymore. Did someone break that Democrat hobby horse?


2 posted on 09/16/2008 4:54:28 PM PDT by Tarpon (Three things matter when selecting a President - character, character and character.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

from: http://terryfrank.net/?p=3583
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Highlights of the Democrat Energy Bill (H.R.6899):

· Implements vast restrictions on energy drilling on the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) compared to what would otherwise be allowed if the current moratorium on OCS energy development were allowed to expire on October 1, 2008.

· Provides states no incentive to allow for the expanded OCS drilling. That is, states would not get revenue shares in any of the newly leased areas.

· Repeals the moratorium on oil shale on federal lands, but prohibits any actual oil shale leasing unless a state allows it via state law. Allowing the current moratorium to simply expire in two weeks would allow for oil shale leasing on federal lands without state approvals.

· Releases 70 million barrels from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) and provides for a subsequent replenishment with a less desirable grade of oil.

· Authorizes $1.7 billion taxpayer dollars to subsidize public transportation ridership already at record levels.

· Includes a requirement, commonly known as the Renewable Portfolio Standard or the Renewable Electricity Standard, that electric suppliers, other than governmental entities and rural electric cooperatives, provide 2.75% of their electricity using renewable energy resources by the year 2010—and increasing incrementally to 15% by the year 2020.

· Directs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to develop loan products and flexible underwriting guidelines to facilitate a secondary market for energy-efficient and location-efficient mortgages on housing for low and moderate income families—and for second and junior mortgages made for the purposes of energy efficiency or renewable energy improvements.

· Mandates gas stations owned by larger oil and gas companies to install at least one alternative fuel pump (natural gas, E-85, biodiesel, or hydrogen) by 2018.

· Includes the Charlie Rangel transportation earmark for New York by terminating the remaining portions of the New York Liberty Zone tax incentives program (implemented to encourage business investment in lower Manhattan).

· Includes several tax increases—primarily the special carve-out of large (and foreign-government-owned) oil and gas producers from the domestic manufacturing tax deduction, the freeze of this tax deduction for all other oil and gas companies, and a restriction of how foreign oil and gas extraction income is determined for purposes of the foreign income tax credit. The bill also includes a PAYGO gimmick that will force energy companies to remit $3 billion in estimated taxes in FY2013 sooner than they otherwise would have to.

What isn’t in the bill:

· Litigation reform, so that American energy exploration and development, including that authorized by this legislation, is not further halted by environmentalist lawsuits.

· Allowing energy exploration and development in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR).

· Expedited petroleum refinery permitting.

· Expedited nuclear reactor permitting.

· There is also no language regarding futures markets speculation.

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3 posted on 09/16/2008 4:54:56 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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Looks like a steaming pile to me.


4 posted on 09/16/2008 4:59:28 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

This is a non-issue. VOTE NO!!!

Let the damned thing die at the end of October.


5 posted on 09/16/2008 5:00:11 PM PDT by Morgan in Denver (Just Words? Elect Obama and it's too late. There are NO do-overs.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I cannot imagine that the GOP will go along with this thing. It may pass the House but I should think it will die in the Senate.


6 posted on 09/16/2008 5:01:41 PM PDT by scory
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

The RATs want to open up the strategic reserve, stating that it will cause speculators to drive down prices, but refuse to allow drilling for the exact same reason.


7 posted on 09/16/2008 5:02:24 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Am I wrong that the Congressional ban on offshore drilling will simply expire if they don’t pass anything? If that is the case, vote NO on everything.


8 posted on 09/16/2008 5:07:47 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: advance_copy; ME Conservative; spartan68; Madame Dufarge; busybody; Severa; SheLion; ...
From what I understand, the ban traditionally expires on a regular basis and has always been renewed. This time it appears to be different.

If a bill passes the House, I doubt it will be the least bit bipartisan, and I understand that no amendments are being allowed.

If it passes the House, it may well die in the Senate. If that is not the case, President Bush, who recently lifted the executive order ban on drilling, may well veto it or refuse to sign it.

9 posted on 09/16/2008 5:21:31 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I just finished writing to my Congressman on this issue..


10 posted on 09/16/2008 5:28:25 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Palin/Cleese '12)
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To: stefanbatory

Neil Abercrombie is begging for the bill to be passed...must not be looking too good...


11 posted on 09/16/2008 5:33:43 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Palin/Cleese '12)
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To: stefanbatory; 80 Square Miles; acad1228; AirForceMom; Alas Babylon!; AliVeritas; All; ...

“Does Madame Speaker have a solar, a wind, or a nuclear powered limosine?”


12 posted on 09/16/2008 5:42:36 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

When is the vote on this?


13 posted on 09/16/2008 5:51:21 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Proud member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

these dems piss me off so much......

I remember now why I stopped watching and posting on this. Too stressful.


14 posted on 09/16/2008 5:55:59 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: WakeUpAndVote

What a sham


15 posted on 09/16/2008 5:56:37 PM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

I think they vote tonight, unless they table it.


16 posted on 09/16/2008 5:58:43 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: stefanbatory
Neil Abercrombie is begging for the bill to be passed...must not be looking too good...

I'm sure T. Boone Pickins is also. Don't the windmill subsidies expire with the drilling ban?

17 posted on 09/16/2008 6:07:29 PM PDT by Ingtar (Go Palin! And the white-haired guy too, I suppose. '08)
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To: Ingtar

while it is good to explore new energy sources, I do not believe that it is the government’s responsibility to finance that research...


18 posted on 09/16/2008 6:14:35 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Palin/Cleese '12)
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To: stefanbatory

I agree


19 posted on 09/16/2008 6:41:51 PM PDT by Ingtar (Go Palin! And the white-haired guy too, I suppose. '08)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

http://www.stopthegang.com/


20 posted on 09/16/2008 6:56:28 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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