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To: Crim

I have this argument with a buddy at work all the time.

I agree that there are certainly a percentage of yahoos who just won’t vote for a black man (although for the record, I was born in Africa and I’m darker than Whitney Houston). I find that pretty disgusting since I would vote for Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams in a heartbeat.

However, we disagree on the percentages.

I put it at 4% max. He says it’s higher, closer to 20%. There is no denying that there is a Bradley effect in the polling that even the drive bys acknowledge. Nobody is going to tell a stranger on the phone in a poll that they have reservations about voting for a _______ (fill in the blank)

In answer to the question posed in this vanity, I would say the odds of Obama winning are 100:1. This will be a landslide McCain Palin victory.

The MSM will blame it on racism. That’s nonsense.

It has everything to do with this particular candidate being unqualified and a closet Saul Alinsky style America hating Marxist.


18 posted on 09/13/2008 10:43:27 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I think the election will be close. I’m more optimistic than I was, but Obama could easily win. It’s been a good last couple of months though, so hopefully the trend will continue.

Palin has helped so much, it’s unbelievable. Even if McCain lost, she still would have helped the party by making the situation in the Congressional races much better.


26 posted on 09/13/2008 10:53:45 PM PDT by TomEwall
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To: Eric Blair 2084
It has everything to do with this particular candidate being unqualified and a closet Saul Alinsky style America hating Marxist.
bingo! ....race unimportant...Col. Allen West / Herman Cain / Blackwell / Steele...all much more qualified than Zero OBambi / OBiden

32 posted on 09/13/2008 10:57:22 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I think the actually number of people who would “never vote for a black guy” is actually very low.

But I do think there are a certain number of people who only needs one good reason to not vote for the black guy. The don’t want to be racist, so they need that one good reason with which they can rationalize to themselves that the reason they aren’t voting for the black guy is something other than racism.

How big this group of people are differs depending on whom you talk to.


34 posted on 09/13/2008 11:00:16 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“I find that pretty disgusting since I would vote for Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams in a heartbeat.”

Eric - thanks for your post - and I’d add Michael Steele to that - he’s a straight-up, good conservative guy!!! (and a credentialed politician, who happens to be black)

I really hope and pray you’re right in your predictions.


46 posted on 09/13/2008 11:20:10 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I agree with everything you said, except I think the odds of an Obama win are much higher, certainly not 100:1. He is within a few percentage points, which means a few small unforeseen problems and things could swing back the other way. I would put it at 2 or 3 to 1. Still good odds for our country, but sad that such an anti-American could have any chance at all.


47 posted on 09/13/2008 11:21:19 PM PDT by Defiant (I prefer a Lewinsky in the White House to an Alinsky. The first blows, but the latter really sucks.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I have this argument with a buddy at work all the time.

I agree that there are certainly a percentage of yahoos who just won’t vote for a black man (although for the record, I was born in Africa and I’m darker than Whitney Houston). I find that pretty disgusting since I would vote for Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams in a heartbeat.

However, we disagree on the percentages.

I put it at 4% max. He says it’s higher, closer to 20%. There is no denying that there is a Bradley effect in the polling that even the drive bys acknowledge. Nobody is going to tell a stranger on the phone in a poll that they have reservations about voting for a _______ (fill in the blank)

In answer to the question posed in this vanity, I would say the odds of Obama winning are 100:1. This will be a landslide McCain Palin victory.

The MSM will blame it on racism. That’s nonsense.

It has everything to do with this particular candidate being unqualified and a closet Saul Alinsky style America hating Marxist.


What the racist left fails to grasp....it's not about color...it's about world view...

You know who one of my heros is?

Walter Williams

I have been amazed in my life that when a prominent black conservative attains success and the support of his constituents..he(or she) is attacked as an Uncle tom...

As though there is a “white mans world” as oppossed to “THE world”...

Put a man like Lt. Col. Allen West on my ballot and he'll get my vote every time...

http://www.allenwestforcongress.com/

Remember the commander In Iraq that got in trouble for shooting a pistol to scare a prisoner into giving up intel that saved soldiers lives from an IED?

Yeah..the was him...

The man is the real deal and I would be HONORED to vote for him...

I voted for Ken Blackwell for Gov....

I greatly admire JC watts and Mike Steel...

In fact...I have allready suggested Palin-West 12’...

I have allways found fault with the notion that main stream people of color can easily dismiss elements undesirable of “white culture” ,but at he same time find rejection of an undesirable element of “black culture” (hip hop and gansta rap) to be racist in nature...

My teenage son tried to put me on the spot in front of a couple of his black friends..

“So dad...tell me again what is the difference between black people and N*&@#$”

My reply:

“oh...about the same difference between white people and white trash”...

I heard two “sounds right” from the back seat...

Shut my kid up though...it was priceless....

Kings dream for his children is also my own....that they be judged on the content of their charactor and not the color of their skin...

Be well...

55 posted on 09/13/2008 11:29:27 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Eric, you posted:

I put it at 4% max. He says it’s higher, closer to 20%.

I admire your forward thought process about the "yahoo" percentage, but I tend to agree with the other party. I have opined that the racist vote will be in the 10-20% range (I fix the spread so wide because, who's gonna admit they're racist?).

Personally, I expect the so-called Bradley effect to equal the Black vote percentage of the aggregate tally, in effect, a wash.

77 posted on 09/14/2008 4:46:09 AM PDT by woofer ('Senator Obama ain't run nothin' but his mouth' - Steyn)
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