Posted on 09/13/2008 8:57:24 AM PDT by yoe
RUSH: Now, here's Susan Sarandon, and we're going to keep it going: 12, 13, and 14 coming up here. This is Susan Sarandon. Last night on Entertainment Tonight, a reporter asked her what she thought of Sarah Palin.
SARANDON: Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor. That's all I have to say!
[snip] BRAZILE: Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor, and perhaps they should understand the role of a -- a community organizer to help people in distress.
[snip] The real comparison here, if you want to start talking about Jesus was a community organizer, the real model for Barack Obama's community organization efforts was Saul Alinsky, Rules For Radicals.
[snip] Saul Alinsky dedicated his own book to the first-ever community organizer, the first ever real man of dissent, and this man ended up with his own empire. His name was Lucifer. Saul Alinsky has dedicated his book, did dedicate his book, Rules for Radicals, to Satan! The work that Obama's done with ACORN and some of the radical stuff that he actually did, it's no wonder they don't tell this story, and they're trying to paper it over with flowery language about helping downtrodden get back on their feet. That's not at all what he did. He organized to keep the ROTC out of schools. He organized to have kids be taught themselves how to be radicals. The reason that you don't see any of the so-called people that Obama has helped is because they don't want you to see them. They're not people who grew up in the gutter and somehow found religion and found inspiration and motivation and now live in the suburbs, and they have a white picket fence and 2.8 kids. That's not who they are.
(Excerpt) Read more at rushlimbaugh.com ...
Other notables with community organizer experience:
Usama Bin Laden
Lenin
Marx
Mao Zedong
Stalin
Well, given his father is from the section of Kenya that is descended from Arabia, maybe he is.
I have never given much credence to that, but I’m starting to think my aunt wasn’t a complete loon.
Of course I don’t know anything near enough about the anti-christ story to claim someone to be the anti-christ.
People tend to bring the Pharisees in because there are numerous passages where they are in opposition to Jesus, but they weren't part of the official establishment, who were the ones who demanded that Pilate condemn Jesus to death.
Pandemonium University..
Jimmy Carter was a governor ...
Maybe we shouldn't talk about that one.
The Pharisees did not threaten that they would revolt, they claimed that Christ's followers would revolt if he were not executed.
Of course it was God's will that Christ die as a ransom sacrifice. Did this mean that Pilate, the Jewish religious leaders and Judas were all really working for right and good?
Of course not. They all knew they were conspiring to murder an innocent man, and they all directly or indirectly allowed this to continue because they all thought it was in their own interest to do so.
The irony, of course, is that they were right. Christ's ransom applies to those who killed him just as much as to any other human.
Under the law at the time, only Pilate could order an execution. That Jesus was executed, without anyone claiming the execution was illegal, proves that it was done legally and thus that Pilate ordered it.
Obviously, Pilate delegated the actual condemnation and execution to the Jewish leaders, and even tried to proclaim that he was innocent of Christ's blood.
There is no hint in the Bible that God or the Christians accepted his claim of innocence to be valid. Pilate tried to pass the buck, but because he was the governor, the guy with the responsibility and the power, the buck stopped with him anyway.
The Jews themselves condemned him to death under their own law, but had no power to execute that sentence without Pilate's approval. Pilate thus has the primary responsibility.
I think you're the one with an odd viewpoint. Christians believe that all martyrs will be resurrected. Because God will raise them from the dead, does this mean none of them were murdered?
Christ's death was the judicial execution of a man those who condemned him knew to be innocent of the charges and to have done nothing deserving of the penalty. If that isn't murder, I don't know what is.
That God is able to turn even murder toward the salvation of mankind doesn't in any way reduce the guild of the murderers.
Every Eddie Lunchpail and Sally Housecoat is repeating it!
The Romans themselves had a proverb at the time, “Let justice be done though the heavens fall.”
Pilate decided to allow the execution of a man he knew to be innocent for political reasons.
I’m curious why most of the comments have referenced the Pharisees. As I understand it, there were three main parties among the Jewish leaders: the Pharisees, most popular among the common people, and the group that later developed the Talmud and kept Judaism alive after the destruction of Jerusalem; the Saducees, composed of the upper priests and aristocrats; and the Herodians, political followers of the Herod family.
All three groups participated in Christ’s murder, so why the focus on blaming just the Pharisees?
And millions are repeating Biden’s “Stand up chuck”.
That does not mean anyone believes it, in fact, it is probably chuckle worthy for the majority of Christians, as in “Laughed to scorn”.
My apologies for post 111. I didn’t see this post before replying to someone else.
You are absolutely correct, except that as I understand it Christ was condemned by the Jewish Supreme Court of the Sanhedrin, which did indeed have members who were Pharisees.
Gamaliel, discussed later in Acts, and Joseph of Arimathea who provided a tomb for Jesus and who was a secret Christian, were both Pharisees and were probably members of the Sanhedrin at the time of Christ’s trial.
According to the Rabbis of the Talmud
"On the eve of Passover they hung Jesus of Nazareth. The herald had gone forth forty days before [his death], (crying): 'Jesus of Nazareth goes forth to be stoned, because he has practiced magic and deceived and led astray Israel. Anyone who knows anything in his favor should come and declare concerning him.' But they found nothing in his favor."
Source: Tractate Sanhedrin 43a
According to Judaism's most esteemed halachic (legal) authority, Moses Maimonides
"Jesus of Nazareth... impelled people to believe that he was a prophet sent by God to clarify perplexities in the Torah, and that he was the Messiah that was predicted by each and every seer. He interpreted the Torah and its precepts in such a fashion as to lead to their total annulment, to the abolition of all its commandments and to the violation of its prohibitions. The sages, of blessed memory, having become aware of his plans before his reputation spread among our people, meted out fitting punishment to him."
Source: Maimonides, "Letter to Yemen"
According to the Bible
For ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
Source: I Thessalonians 2: 14-16
A correspondance course through CNN.
Well, I guess i am wrong. I have no idea what the bible says anymore. All these years, having been a bible scholar, and having an AA in Christian theology, I find that I know nothing about Scripture. So I will no longer discuss it with anyone.
Gravity has not been kind to Susan Sarandon.
Some Pharisees were the vanguard of early Christians and butted head with Peter....Saul/Paul was an enthusiastic Pharisee in the beginning gleefully killing early Christians till his now legendary conversion.
Just ask the Jewish establishment or the Romans.
Jesus was a maverick! 8^)
What a drooping hag! Don’t ya just hate it when people try to look like they are in their 20’s when they are in their 60’s?
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