Symbols of Hope: A New McCain Ad on Immigrants

johnmccain.com ^ | 9/12/08

[Crazieman]

Bates is someone who has his head up McCain’s rear so far he can’t see daylight anymore.

Everything McCain utters is gospel, he forgets the fact that McCain has gone back and forth at least 4 times on this. (I’ll sign my own bill as president ring a bell? Post-borders first statements? Ever heard of the truth, you jerk?[norman bates])

[doc]

I refuse to hold my nose and vote for McAmnesty because of his stance on the number one issue facing this country. I will more than likely vote Constitution Party. Many will say I’m wasting my vote, I say your wasting yours. Talk to me in 10 years when you can’t recognize this country because of the third world culture that has been force upon us.

[apocalypto]

I agree. John McCain and B. Hussein Obama want to surrender this country. I cannot vote for either one. Have you noticed there has been no discussion on immigration?

[Das Outsider]

Wellnow. My ancestors were the original illegals. They came on the Mayflower and the Anne. That being said....

That being said, your ancestors were colonists, were they not? Were they the same as today's legal and illegal immigrants? If so, how?

"Ann(e)" as in "Mary and Ann?" This could become interesting, Madame.

We should build fences on both borders, enforce them MUCH better and tighten the restrictions for legals, if necessary, using quotas.

You've been reading Infidel Pat Buchanan and other such subversives again, haven't you? ;)

[Magnum44]

There you go again. You must have a problem understanding the written word.

ok...you must be pretty impressed with yourself...I try to be civil and you throw another insult...jerk

[kabar]

You can prattle on with ad hominem attacks, but the fact remains you don't understand the immigration issue and resist all attempts to do so. McCain's plan is clearly amnesty, which will destroy this country with the stroke of a pen.

Amnesty, from the same Greek root as "amnesia," forgives past crimes and removes them from the record for future purposes. In the context of immigration, amnesty is commonly defined as granting legal status to a group of individuals unlawfully present in a country. Amnesty provides a simple, powerful, and undeniable benefit to the recipient: It overlooks the alien's illegal entry and ongoing illegal presence and creates a new legal status that allows the recipient to live and work in the country.

The textbook example of such an amnesty is the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. The Act's core provision gave amnesty to those who could establish that they had resided illegally in the United States continuously for five years by granting them temporary resident status, which in 18 months was adjustable to permanent residency, which led to citizenship five years later. Note that the 1986 law's path to citizenship was not automatic. The legislation stipulated several requirements to receive amnesty, including payment of application fees, acquisition of English-language skills, understanding of American civics, a medical exam, and registration for military service. Individuals convicted of a felony or three misdemeanors were ineligible. Despite these requirements, all agree that the 1986 law amounted to an amnesty.

[Monkey Face]

...You've been reading Infidel Pat Buchanan and other such subversives again, haven't you?

Actually, I've been playing, "What Would I Do If I Were President?" Some days, it's VERY satisfying!

[Das Outsider]

Actually, I've been playing, "What Would I Do If I Were President?" Some days, it's VERY satisfying!

God help us all!

You'd appoint me Secretary of the newly-created Department of Silly Walks, wouldn't you?

[Das Outsider]

I wasn't aware that the USA had any immigrant laws when the Mayflower rolled into port. LOL. Maybe you're not talking about the Mayflower though.

I was talking about the Mayflower in a dual sense: both literal and metonymic. The point of the post was that immigrants from the Third World--and let's make no bones about where the vast majority comes from--are held in higher esteem than the descendants of the early American colonists that built this nation. To conflate British colonization with immigration to an established, sovereign state is utter nonsense--but a lot of conservatives and liberals do so to promote a mythical ideal that never existed in American history.

Hope you caught the sarcasm in the earlier post, my friend. ;)

[Pelham]

“Obviously you don’t know what you are talking about.”

Yeah, I need lessons from a McCain sycophant living in Maryland to explain to me the effects of massive illegal immigration. I simply lived in southern California long enough to witness my town and several adjoining ones become a colony of Mexico, so what could I possibly know compared to your vast experience.

“How many times does McCain have to say there will be no amnesty and the borders must be secured?”

He was aiming the “no amnesty” lie at gullible RNC toadies. Evidently it worked.

[Pelham]

Try using deodorant.

[Pelham]

“Why aren’t the native born descendants of those who built this nation from the ground up considered “symbols of hope?”

Because we have become the Invisible Americans. We aren’t interesting to the Stupid Party, which believes we have nowhere else to go at election time. I think I’ll go have some cervezas.

[j_k_l]

Try using deodorant.

It took you how many days to come up with this? [I have a hunch you didn't even think of it all by yourself].

You might want to give yourself a few more days and run your ideas by a few more of your buds before responding to this because that last little 'zinger' of yours was quite lame.

[Pelham]

Apparently it wasn’t lame enough for you to ignore, ratboy.

[Das Outsider]

Because we have become the Invisible Americans. We aren’t interesting to the Stupid Party, which believes we have nowhere else to go at election time.

We have somewhere to go: south of the border, mi amigo!

I think I’ll go have some cervezas.

Necessito burritos, my compadre! Enjoy the influx, as we are quite fluxed. ;)

[Das Outsider]

And just for snits and giggles, in addendum:

We are the hope, and not merely a symbol.

But, as you said--not in so many words--blood and soil means very little in days that Juvenal accurately described almost two-thousand years ago.

[Force of Truth]

I agree the situation has changed, especially in this day and age of terrorism. You got it right.