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I-80 toll proposal rejected (Pennsylvania)
The Derrick (Oil City, PA) ^ | 9/12/08 | News Staff

Posted on 09/12/2008 12:01:23 PM PDT by smokinleroy

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Rendell and the dems lose. PA wins.
1 posted on 09/12/2008 12:01:23 PM PDT by smokinleroy
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"...reigniting a sticky debate over where to find billions of dollars to fix roads,..."

How about eliminating waste, fraud, layers of bureaucracy, and millions of dollars for 'diversity training' programs?

2 posted on 09/12/2008 12:04:00 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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Federal regulators on Thursday rejected Pennsylvania's plan to impose tolls on Interstate 80, reigniting a sticky debate over where to find billions of dollars to fix roads, repair bridges and subsidize mass transit systems.

If they stop doing the last bit, they'll have all the money they need from existing tax revenues.

3 posted on 09/12/2008 12:05:14 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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Tolling 80 would have been a disaster, driving all sorts of traffic on to backroads & secondaries not designed for heavy truck traffic.

And the whole deal was a scheme to fund Philly transit!


4 posted on 09/12/2008 12:05:22 PM PDT by xDGx
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Woo hoo.. I work for a manufacturing company that is 10 miles off of I-80 (SR 220 Clinton County) with plans to build a distribution center literally right off I-80 Lamar exit. The tolls would of been devastating to us.


5 posted on 09/12/2008 12:05:57 PM PDT by Onerom99
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We're fighting hard here in Texas. Not only to prevent tolling of existing roads but, building 3 or 4 thousand miles of new toll roads. http://keeptexasmoving.com/index.php/ttc Them governors and their *big* ideas..........geeeezzzz.
6 posted on 09/12/2008 12:08:55 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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How about eliminating waste, fraud, layers of bureaucracy, and millions of dollars for 'diversity training' programs?

Yeah, politicians never think of that.

7 posted on 09/12/2008 12:09:51 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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Pennsylvania has one of the highest state gas taxes at 32.3 cents (9th highest in the USA).. Rendell has been moving state money into Philadelphia at an alarming rate and unfortunantely there are few that are willing to stand up to him.

We blew an opportunity to oust him when we nominated Lynn Swann who ran a horrible campaign.

There’s no real GOP rising star here outside of Hazelton mayor Lou Baretta who is running for a congressional seat.


8 posted on 09/12/2008 12:11:02 PM PDT by Onerom99
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To: smokinleroy

Excellent!


9 posted on 09/12/2008 12:15:05 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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bump


10 posted on 09/12/2008 12:25:49 PM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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How are Rendell’s casinos working out?


11 posted on 09/12/2008 12:47:45 PM PDT by smokinleroy (How come gas prices spiked only AFTER the democrats won Congress?)
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How are Rendell’s casinos working out?

They are creating revenue, but not enough to lower property taxes.....which is how it was sold to citizens.

Fast Eddie needs to be stopped for the next 2 years.

12 posted on 09/12/2008 12:58:29 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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Gov. Ed Rendell urged lawmakers to swiftly approve an alternative - a long-term lease of the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Legislative leaders, however, indicated they were in no hurry to act.

2 major Rendell initiatives are probably dead for the rest of his tenure as governor.

13 posted on 09/12/2008 1:16:23 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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From the article: "This decision is final and it is not subject to appeal...the application can't be resubmitted," the congressman added. "The people of Pennsylvania have won this monumental battle."

From "smokinleroy": ""Rendell and the dems lose. PA wins."

Without judging the merits of the lease idea, in principal, or the exact proposal, I don't know how "PA wins", in either case, if (1)current slated state revenues dedicated for I-80 maintenance are not doing the job and (b) the end result now is in fact a stalemate on an issue for which the taxpayers need a solution, if I-80 is to remain a well maintained highway along the PA portion of its route without emergency borrowing or budget finagling when deteriorating conditions demand it. It seems to me that no one "wins" anything, at this point.

The people of rural PA may say, for now, they have "won" because there will not be tolls. But the rest of the people of the state (most of the state) may think they "lost" and if they do, then the rural residents along I-80 will know they have lost too, when the winter-created pot-holes, water-run-off systems, bridges and overpasses are not repaired as regularly from one year to the next.

Along most of its PA length, I-80 is overwhelmingly "rural" with very sparse populations on either side. I would guess (from my many travels on it) that 3/4ths of its traffic is people and commerce (long-haul shippers) crossing PA and not originating anywhere in PA.

That rural population there, for which I-80 shortens the travel time between long-distant rural communities along it, could never have paid for I-80 on their own and they require revenues from somewhere - other state taxpayers, or "tolls", to keep the road viable. The rest of the state taxpayers are NOT so much off-base in looking at a "toll" solution, because, as I said, the vast majority of the revenue from it WOULD NOT come from PA residents.

14 posted on 09/12/2008 6:03:29 PM PDT by Wuli
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If 0 wins, Act 44 will be rammed through again and the 0 Administration will approve it.


15 posted on 09/12/2008 6:04:44 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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Planners also said they would try to limit the tolls that would be paid by local drivers.

Sure they will.
Like the income tax was only supposed to be less than 10%.
Like social Security was not to be used as identification.
Like the SS payments were put in a lockbox.
Like you'll have weekends off when you join the Navy.

LOL !!

16 posted on 09/12/2008 11:28:26 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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More shenanigans coming !!

Ping.


17 posted on 09/12/2008 11:29:22 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


18 posted on 09/13/2008 7:43:50 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: Onerom99

I had high hopes for Pat Toomey, but when Bush and Santorum torpedoed him in favor of Arlen Sphincter, he seemed to drop off the map.


19 posted on 09/13/2008 8:05:37 AM PDT by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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I supported Toomey too but I wasn’t convinced he could win in the General Election. I think Hoeffel would of beaten him.


20 posted on 09/13/2008 8:26:12 AM PDT by Onerom99
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