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Pickens' Natural Gas Nonsense
Junk Science ^ | 9/11/08 | Steven Milloy

Posted on 09/12/2008 7:59:30 AM PDT by ZGuy

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1 posted on 09/12/2008 7:59:30 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

Pickens ploy is for subsidies, nothing more. All that wrinkled SOB has done in his life is leave a trail of gutted companies. See Union 76.

I’d trust Putin to have America’s best interests at heart before I would trust Pickens.


2 posted on 09/12/2008 8:01:53 AM PDT by xDGx
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To: ZGuy

I always get a chuckle out of the ad when Pickens claims that Wind is half the answer! Right. Wind will never be more than a minute fraction of the answer.


3 posted on 09/12/2008 8:02:36 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: ZGuy

I’ve had a belly full of T. Boone Pickens.

He’s full of natural gas.


4 posted on 09/12/2008 8:02:56 AM PDT by Califreak (Rome is burning and nobody cares)
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To: ZGuy
All I know is during my last few years in SW Florida, Jeb was in the process in installing huge underground natural gas pipe all over the state. My firm did all the soil testing. I knew there weren't that many gas ranges in the neighborhood.
5 posted on 09/12/2008 8:06:27 AM PDT by poobear (“…individual salvation depends on collective salvation." Barack Hussein Obama Wesleyan University)
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Fine Mr. Pickens. Now tell the world how you make natural gas less explosive, so that millions of Americans aren’t driving bombs around. You have a way of using natural gas without putting it under pressure? Do tell. We’re all ears. Go on, we’re waiting.


6 posted on 09/12/2008 8:07:18 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: ZGuy

Not to mention the fear of gas line everywhere. We already hear scare tactic ads against using gas and propane from the utility companies trying to sell oil or electricity.


7 posted on 09/12/2008 8:07:41 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: ZGuy
Can any of our FReeper experts tell us if conversion to a dual fuel for gasoline and natural gas is significantly different than a propane conversion ?
8 posted on 09/12/2008 8:08:03 AM PDT by kbennkc (What passes for optimism is most often an intellectual error)
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To: ZGuy
I am still open to the Natural Gas model.

My question - that I cannot find an answer to is: How many miles will $10 worth of natural Gas take me compared tp $10 worth of Gasoline.. [ I know that prices fluctuate....but I need to have this info to begin to sort through the BS that all sides seem to be putting out ]

9 posted on 09/12/2008 8:08:47 AM PDT by rface
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Pickens is using eminent domain to secure a large chunk of land in Texas for his Gov. backed wind turbines . There is money to be made and Pickens is doing an Al Gore number on us .


10 posted on 09/12/2008 8:09:03 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( S.P.E.C.I A.L.= ,,,,,,,, Sarah Palin's Executive Credentials Intimidate Angry Liberals ))
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To: Califreak

ROFLMTO,,,I agree. Yes, there are a few places where CNG would work, and if you have a natural gas pipeline for your home gas, then get a pump put in and have at it. However, if you plan to go on a trip, just what gas station has a CNG pump. It’s like fuel cell technology, it’s a good idea but not implementable until gas stations or fuel cell stations are in all areas of the country, otherwise you are stranded. Imagine trying to escape a hurricane in one of those cars, and no where to fill up. So DRILL, DRILL, DRILL and after we the normal have gas, then maybe you will have enough infrastructure of CNG stations, or FUEL CELL Stations that make it practical to own one of those buzzheads.


11 posted on 09/12/2008 8:09:07 AM PDT by Kackikat ( Without National Security all other issues are mute points; chaos ensues.))
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To: kbennkc

I’m not an expert, but I had a client for several years who did CNG conversions on fleet vehicles. The costs were 1500-2500 per vehicle. CNG is efficient and burns clean.

I’m not a supporter of T. “Boondoggle,” but CNG is a good alternative fuel, IMO.


12 posted on 09/12/2008 8:12:12 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Mainstream Media, the Left is Nothing.)
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I like his line about we use 25% of the world’s oil and have 3% of it’s reserves. Yeah right, unless you add in all the reserves that the RATS won’t let us drill for and the 2 trillion plus barrels in the Utah/Colorado oil shale.


13 posted on 09/12/2008 8:13:29 AM PDT by anoldafvet (Barack Obama, the "Platte River Politician", a mile wide and an inch deep.)
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To: ZGuy

What does anyone know about clean coal technology? Or converting coal to fuel. I need to know if I should load up on coal stock(s).


14 posted on 09/12/2008 8:13:59 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Conceal carry - Don't leave home without it.)
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To: rface
NG would be in the $1.60/$1.80/gallon range, plus state and federal highway taxes. Let's assume this adds $.50/gallon.
The loss of BTUs, nat gas vs. gasoline, is what makes this not pencil out in favor of NG.
15 posted on 09/12/2008 8:17:24 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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Well, I for one see that natural gas is a viable solution to bridge the gap from using oil & gas to some alternative energy sources(primarily nuclear, but wind, wave, what have you can all be in there). Natural gas is here now, & already used in many homes. The only problem with it’s use in cars is infrastructure, and that is not that great a challenge if people get on board. I do think Pickens is in it for some big money, but I still think he’s right with this.


16 posted on 09/12/2008 8:17:27 AM PDT by aklurker (Democrats vs Republicans= Style over substance. Palin is substance with style)
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To: ZGuy
Pickens was on Leno last night. He was promoting natural gas for trucks not personal vehicles.
17 posted on 09/12/2008 8:19:19 AM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
the question STILL is not answered: How far will $10 of NG take me compared to $10 gasoline.

Simple question that seems to have no answer

18 posted on 09/12/2008 8:21:55 AM PDT by rface
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To: rightinthemiddle
“I’m not a supporter of T. “Boondoggle,” but CNG is a good alternative fuel, IMO.”

CNG has it's merits. Minneapolis Moline has built tractors
and other farm equipment that burns CNG for a half century. Also, many types of industrial equipment such as fork lifts, cherry pickers, etc. use the stuff because it burns so clean that it can be used indoors the same as electric powered equipment. However, having said all that, CNG does not get as good mileage as gasoline and does not create as much horsepower as gasoline. So, as with everything, there are trade offs.

19 posted on 09/12/2008 8:23:32 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: kbennkc
Propane tanks are about 250psi and CNG is over 3000-5000psi. CNG is fine but I'm nervous about that much pressure of anything in my trunk. It gets less mpg, but is plentiful and cheap.

There is NO infrastructure! It would take years to get fueling stations built. The best alternative is a home compressor. They are over $10k and do you want 5000psi CNG next to your house?

Everybody is missing the point with T.Boone. The windmills are a ruse to get water rights in the wind corridor and the Nat Gas stuff is because he owns a boat load of CHK stock. ( And COP, which is also big in nat gas). He's 80 and a billionaire, but it's still about money,....his money.

I'm not against nat gas, but it should be for city vehicles and company vehicles, like the phone co. or UPS, or the post office. They could install their own re-fuelers and leave the gasoline for us.

20 posted on 09/12/2008 8:23:39 AM PDT by chuckles
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