“Guilty of what? Trying to guard the border? Trusting their supervisor to file the correct report? Of not letting an international felon escape?”
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They are guilty of shooting an unarmed man, altering the scene to cover up the act, and then lying about it afterward.
No matter what you think about illegal immigration, these men did wrong and then were convicted in a court with lawyers to defend them.
Everytime this subject comes up, many Freepers turn into Edward Asner railing about Mumai Mugambi (or whatever the hell his name is).
I know I am about to get a lot of grief but let it go.
The argument is that they were wrongly convicted. Your assertion that they shot an unarmed man was not proven in court. Unless of course you believe the drug smuggler’s testimony.
The only ones proven to have outright lied were the agents who testified against Ramos and Compean. The prosectors prime witness, Oscar Juarez, was a habitual liar who only finally gave testimony that the prosecutors needed to make a case after being threatened over and over of being prosecuted. This despite being given a proffer letter from day one! Below are just a few of those lies. My personal favorite was when he said he didn't fear for Compean being alone with the smuggler on the other side of the levee because Compean had the shotgun with him--despite having testified that Compean had already dropped the shotgun in the ditch and left it there.
Can you tell me one thing that Ramos lied about?
Oscar Juarez - Cross by Mr. Antcliff 19 Q. Okay. On April, I think, it's the 25th you went and met 20 with Agent Sanchez again to give a second statement to clarify 21 some of the information in the first statement. Is that right? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. In the second statement you said that when you arrived, you 24 saw Agent Compean and the alien about six to eight feet apart 25 from one another when you first got there. Is that right? 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Is that different from your testimony today where you saw 3 the alien down in the ditch before he got up to the top? 4 A. No, it's the same. 5 Q. It's the same. Very well. In the second statement it was 6 your testimony that you saw the alien using both of his hands 7 to crawl up out of the ditch. Is that right? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Today, I believe it's your testimony that as he was getting 10 out of the ditch, he had his hands raised, correct? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Okay. In the statement, the second statement -- as a 13 matter of fact, in the first statement, it was still your 14 testimony that you went from your car directly to the van. Is 15 that right? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. But today, you went down into the ditch, correct? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. I'm not sure I followed it. But your testimony is you saw 20 Agent Compean shooting at the alien. Is that right? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. And you saw a magazine fall out and you saw him reload. Is 23 that right? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. In the statement that you gave, particularly, I think it 1 was the third one in September, you mentioned that you thought 2 shots could have been from hunters or the Mexican military. Do 3 you recall saying that? 4 A. Not on the third one. I say it on the second one. 5 Q. The second one is fine. But do you recall saying it? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. If you thought that it was the Mexican military or 8 hunters -- oh, tell me why you thought that given that you saw 9 Agent Compean shooting? 10 A. Because I was lying to them. 11 Q. I see. So there were more lies in the first two statements 12 than just the fact that you had not reported you saw the 13 shooting. Is that right? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. One of the conditions of your proffer agreement with the 16 Government is that you not lie to them, correct? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. When you gave the second statement and the third statement, 19 you had a lawyer. Is that right? 20 A. Yes.
Johnny Sutton? Is that you?
I still ain't buying the crap line dreamed up by the illegal drug smuggler and his lawyer...