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To: Bob J
>>What I see is anyone, and I mean anyone, who disagrees with the border control extremists on this site immediately being attacked as “open borders advocate”, “Johnny Sutton Lover”, DU’er, liberal, blah, blah, blah.<<

I hate that DU insult. That's what the amnesty advocates call me when I disagree with McCain on immigration. There are trolls on both sides, but I don't consider you a troll.

The trouble is, when you say "fig leaf bigots," I assume you are talking about only a very small number of FReepers. I hope the use of "you" in the following post to AuntB was an accident:

It only demonstrates the weakness of your arguments and how extreme you are in your beliefs. It makes me even more resolved in my own belief that you must b excised from the conservative community.

I expect crude comments from some, but I have come to expect better of you. IMO, some of your posts in this thread are not up to your usual standards.

300 posted on 09/15/2008 10:52:33 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I was only talking about a very small number of FReepers and when I used the terms “you” and “your” I was talking in general about that community.

Poor choice of words, my bad.

Regarding my level of discourse, I have been arguing the same things for over a year with the same people who continue to scream “Sutton lover” every time you nail them on a fact. I get a little irratated at times and my lessor angels have their day.

But my belief there are closet bigots on FR is not new. I have seen it for 10 years. I am usually careful to not accuse someone directly but to indicate certain beliefs may be so and those that hold them should take a look at themselves and search their conscience. I also believe they are bad for FR and for conservatism in general, as I have stated many times.

Most don’t because those beliefs are deeply ingrained. But I think some do.


308 posted on 09/15/2008 11:33:36 AM PDT by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
BTW - I was involved closely with FR at it's inception and during that time racists were constantly trying to infiltrate the site and spew their bilge and recruit. One of our early FR pioneers came up with a research system to help identify them so they could be removed.

That effort still goes on today but nobody sees it, it is behind the scenes. I continue to look for them and report them to the mods for a closer look. As recently as a few months ago, one I reported was identified and removed (weirdly enough, on a R&C thread, go figure).

That being said, there is nobody currently on this thread that I have ever felt needed that closer look. I don't believe anyone here at this time is an member of an organized racist organization, Stormfront member, etc. However, I do believe that some are misguided and hold positions and beliefs that border on bigotry.

I agree that at times I use caustic remarks to make my point. I don't do this to be incendiary or confrontational per se. I do it mainly so that others that might be anonymously reading this thread and on occasion finding themselves agreeing with these borderline sentiments have cause to rethink those feelings and not get sucked into supporting what I believe to be extremely flawed positions that the left can use to beat us over the head.

So you see, many of these comments are not aimed directly at the person in the “To:” line. Unfortunately I think many of them are too far gone. I am more concerned with the image and state of FR and conservatism in general.

316 posted on 09/15/2008 12:06:58 PM PDT by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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