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To: AndrewC

Besides Ramos and Compean there were only two other agents at the scene who were there early enough to “observe” or hear the shots, Juarez and Vasquez.

Neither reported (I’m not sure Juarez was required to), both were fired. So what’s your freaking point? That R&C are innocent because Vasquez and Juarez were trying to help R&C by not reporting a shooting and then maybe covering their own ass because they didn’t want to get drawn into this obviously bad shoot and cover up?

Both of them had their careers ended in shame and disrespect. They’ll never work in law enforcement again. Their families will suffer. And all because of Compean was a hot head who showed poor judgement then tried to lie his way out of trouble, dragging fellow agents into the mess (inlcuding Ramos) and not once expressing any remorse for it.

Where is your concern for these agents and their families? The fact is you have none because Juarez and Vasquez don’t rate on your hero meter...they didn’t shoot any illegal aliens.


286 posted on 09/15/2008 9:15:46 AM PDT by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: Bob J; calcowgirl
Besides Ramos and Compean there were only two other agents at the scene who were there early enough to “observe” or hear the shots, Juarez and Vasquez.

Do you have some sort of language difficulty? Jacquez was required to report it once he learned of the shooting. If you had read the testimony as you assert you have you would have discovered the following.

2 Q. What were those charges?
3 A. False statement, because I omitted the part of Compean
4 telling me about the shooting.
5 Q. Anything else?
6 A. Just failure to report.

5 Q. And you assumed, in any event, that Agent Richards would
6 have been told about it, right?
7 A. Yes, sir.
8 Q. Because, actually, every officer who was there who heard
9 the shooting should have reported it to Richards?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. And, in fact, Richards should have heard -- well, okay. It
12 wasn't just the person that fires the weapon. It wasn't only
13 that person that had the duty to report it, correct?
14 A. Correct. People that were there.

1 Q. On February 17, 2005, at that time, you didn't do anything
2 wrong in your opinion. Is that right?
3 A. Correct, sir.
4 Q. Whatever you may have done wrong that you needed immunity
5 for came after that date. Is that right?
6 A. Correct.
7 Q. And, as I understand it, what you did wrong is, you gave a
8 statement in which you did not say that Mr. Compean -- or Agent
9 Compean had told you he shot at somebody. Is that right?
10 A. Correct.
11 Q. Then you corrected that later by giving a statement in
12 which you did say that, correct?
13 A. Correct.
14 Q. Okay. The first statement that you gave after you got your
15 immunity agreement was in April of 2005. Is that right?
16 A. I believe so.
17 Q. Okay. Your lawyer was present when you gave that
18 statement?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. And, in that statement, you did say that Agent Vasquez had
21 told you about the shooting didn't you?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. And -- you reported everything that Agent Vasquez had told
24 about the shooting on February 17th, correct?
25 A. Correct.
David A. Perez, CSR, RPR
Juarez - Cross by Mr. Antcliff 96
1 Q. Okay. The second statement that you gave was on September
2 27, 2005. Would that be right?
3 A. I believe so.
4 Q. And present when you gave that statement were Assistant
5 United States Attorneys Debra Kanof and Jose Luis Gonzalez and
6 Agent Sanchez. Is that right?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. And they told you that your story did not make sense and
9 you had better come clean in order to keep your immunity,
10 right?
11 A. For in -- yes, for me to tell the truth.
12 Q. That worried you, didn't it?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. Okay. You were aware that you were exposing yourself to
15 jail time if you did not honor the terms of the immunity
16 agreement that you had made, right?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. And it required you to tell the truth?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Would you agree with me that September 27th, if that's
21 date, is about six months after February 17th when this
22 incident occurred?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. And some of the things that you remembered in that second
25 statement you had not put in the first one, correct?
David A. Perez, CSR, RPR
Juarez - Cross by Mr. Antcliff 97
1 A. Correct.
2 Q. Okay. Border Patrol policy on the discharge of a firearm
3 requires not only the person discharging the firearm to tell,
4 orally report it to a superior, but anybody else who knows
5 about it to report it to a superior. Is that right?
6 A. I believe so, yes, sir.
7 Q. Failure to report that is a violation of Border Patrol
8 policy, right?
9 A. Yes, sir.
10 Q. It carries a potential penalty of maybe a reprimand or a
11 suspension, right?
12 A. Yes.

The transcript erroneously labels some of the pages as Juarez testimony, but it is Jacquez testimony. The point is that he was required by policy to report the shooting within one hour of the conversation involving Compean mentioning the shooting. Mendoza was also mentioned as possibly being aware of the shooting, but that assertion is not verified by his testimony.

Where is your concern for these agents and their families? The fact is you have none because Juarez and Vasquez don’t rate on your hero meter...they didn’t shoot any illegal aliens.

The fact is that you have anal-ocular inversion. You don't know what I do or don't have concern about apart from the particulars of this case. I have not even spoken about the families of Ramos and Compean, so stuff your assumptions where the "sun don't shine". And to reexpress my sentiments to you, my wife was an illegal alien, she is now legal. I take your comments as offensive and indicative of coming from a perfect anal orifice.

298 posted on 09/15/2008 10:47:41 AM PDT by AndrewC
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