Posted on 09/12/2008 6:00:19 AM PDT by kellynla
EL PASO, Texas — Two former Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a drug smuggler and trying to cover it up have been denied a request for a new hearing.
The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans denied the request by Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean on Wednesday. The same court upheld the men's convictions in July.
No reason was given for the Wednesday's denial.
Ramos and Compean are each serving sentences of more than 10 years for shooting Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks while he was fleeing from an abandoned marijuana load in 2005.
Aldrete was sentenced to 9 1/2 years in prison for his role in two seperate smuggling efforts later that same year.
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Ok, that was the comment that I gave the "dismissive" treatment? Can you see why? Or are you simply being obtuse?
Bull Crap! This is the statement which you were responding to.
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To: wideawake
“Compean got mad because he was a disgusting, out-of-shape fatbody who got completely clowned by a wiry little dirtbag.” You were there?? Sounds to me like you are pro illegal alien and anti Border Patrol. |
This is your response. See the to 58 in your post?
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To: CodeToad
You were there?? I think he's working off of Compean's own testimony.
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Obtuse? That statement is in response to your LEO nonsense.
Very cute. Nice HTML. And to what was CodeToad responding? Careful with your answer here, because I’m losing patience with you.
No, I simply told you I would not answer your patronizing question.
That is really easy. He cited it in his post. Here it is again.
“Compean got mad because he was a disgusting, out-of-shape fatbody who got completely clowned by a wiry little dirtbag.”
Thus the You were there?? question/comment.
All I have to say to that is that I have personally handled many thousands of pounds worth of drug mules cases as a criminal defense attorney and in my experience the mules are almost never armed. I don't recall ever having a case involving really large loads where the defendants were armed, although I'm sure it happens. The few cases I've had where the people were armed probably weren't really “mule” cases. They'd be carrying maybe a few pounds that they probably owned all or part of. The guys carrying the big loads aren't as worried because they are hauling those loads for big organizations that do not take kindly to people stealing their loads, that hunt thieves down and kill them and their families, and these guys also know that if somebody is going to come in and try to steal their loads they're coming in armed to the teeth and the mules aren't going to stand a chance anyway. All a gun is liable to do for them is get them a lot more years in prison if they get caught, especially a wimpy little pistol.
My comment about the LEO's ascertaining constitutional rights in advance is a direct response to the notion that there are two classes of individuals within the jursidiction of the United States--those who are entitled to constitutional rights, and those who are not entitled to constitutional rights. That notion directly leads to the conclusion that LEO's can determine those rights in advance, or, in the case of Ramos and Compean, they can be absolved of their behavior after the fact if the "injured party" is determined to be of the second class.
This is pathetic. You've been reduced to taking my comments out of context. Sad.
And why are we now up to 400+ posts about these two lying scumbags?
The USSC is not going to review their case, the President is not going to pardon them, and neither Obama nor McCain would ever pardon them.
These clowns will serve their time and then spend the rest of their lives living off the gullible fools who buy their tale of woe.
How about the smuggler? Was his sentence too harsh or too light?As you well know, Compean and Ramos made sure that he would get no sentence of any kind, harsh or light.
I just don't agree with you about Compean. These guys were on the job. They were in a risky business where things can get really dangerous, where people carry guns and people do get shot and killed. He got excited and started popping off rounds and then he tried to hide his screw up.
Compean got mad because he was a disgusting, out-of-shape fatbody who got completely clowned by a wiry little dirtbag.
So, because he had zero impulse control, he emptied his weapon on an unarmed man and then stopped to reload and shot at him again. That's right - he stopped to reload - he went beyond his initial lack of impulse and coldly fired again. As a further testament to Compean's skill and preparedness, every one of his shots missed the target.
Then, knowing full well that what he did was illegal, he immediately began tampering with the scene. Then he ordered a less experienced agent to help him tamper with the scene. Then he lied to a second agent and claimed that he had fired in self-defense, implicating both of his originally innocent colleagues even more deeply in his actions. Then he lied to his superiors. Then he lied to investigators.
Men with dangerous jobs - soldiers, firefighters, policemen - often react impulsively and even overreact: adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
And that's to be expected.
What is not be expected is that they will betray their own colleagues and destroy their own brothers-in-arms in order to save their own skins.
ten years with no parole? No way. People get a lot less for far worse conduct.
Law enforcement professionals need to be held to a higher standard - they have a lot of power entrusted in them by society. Flagrant abuse of that power should be strictly punished.
53 posted on 09/12/2008 7:33:26 AM PDT by wideawake
Works fore me. Imagine that, our criminal justice system actually delivering justice.
As far as I can tell, the argument is that Compean should be a free man because he is not "a disgusting, out-of-shape fatbody who got completely clowned by a wiry little dirtbag."
Seriously, that's the argument--we go off on tangents, but it always returns to this comment of yours.
Hmmm.
Any photograph of Compean confirms his dismal state of physical fitness. Any photograph of Aldrete-Davila confirms that he is diminutive and wiry. Everything about Aldrete-Davila's biography confirms that he is a dirtbag.
Compean, Ramos and Aldrete-Davila all agree on one thing - Compean got the drop on Aldrete-Davila and blocked his path to the border, but Aldrete-Davila still went right past him and escaped.
In other words, Compean got clowned.
By all means, lets. Hopefully, there is still justice there.
How many "Constitutional Rights" are you entitled to after wrestling with a law enforcement officer in the course of his sworn duties? My understanding of the law is that they are almost microscopically small at that point. If you threaten his life in any way, your's are forfeit.
There is no such predicate to this out of the clear blue posting. It is your total post in 185.
Say, from a constitutional standpoint . . . do you want your rights determined in advance by a LEO? Just curious.
The "just curious" comment limits the universe that the comment covers. And the question is still inane.
Ask 1rudeboy. He used the term.
BTW, The lying scumbags were Juarez and Vasquez not Ramos and Compean.
Okay, so what? Codetoad was responding to a specific portion of that post. He even referenced it.
There isn't a shred of evidence to support such a conclusion.
not Ramos and Compean.
I see. So Compean tampered with the scene out of pure honesty. The ones who led the coverup were telling the truth.
Please, not all of us were born yesterday.
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