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To: Calculus_of_Consent; Jim Robinson

Richard the LOIN Heart? Um, perhaps you should go back to school. Christianity began approximately 2000 years ago, not after the 1500’s. If Christianity began after the 15th century, that would make it younger than Islam which was founded in the 7th century. However, as anyone with a small amount of education would tell you, Christianity is several hundred years older than Islam. Again you demonstrated yourself as nothing more than a simple minded foolish TROLL.


25 posted on 09/13/2008 4:20:39 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier, and enthusiastic supporter of McCain/Palin)
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To: SoldierDad

I was questioning you. I know that Western civilization existed before the 15th Century. You are the one who denied that.

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Image The Crusades were expeditions undertaken, in fulfilment of a solemn vow, to deliver the Holy Places from Mohammedan tyranny.

The origin of the word may be traced to the cross made of cloth and worn as a badge on the outer garment of those who took part in these enterprises. Medieval writers use the terms crux (pro cruce transmarina, Charter of 1284, cited by Du Cange s.v. crux), croisement (Joinville), croiserie (Monstrelet), etc. Since the Middle Ages the meaning of the word crusade has been extended to include all wars undertaken in pursuance of a vow, and directed against infidels, i.e. against Mohammedans, pagans, heretics, or those under the ban of excommunication. The wars waged by the Spaniards against the Moors constituted a continual crusade from the eleventh to the sixteenth century; in the north of Europe crusades were organized against the Prussians and Lithuanians; the extermination of the Albigensian heresy was due to a crusade, and, in the thirteenth century the popes preached crusades against John Lackland and Frederick II. But modern literature has abused the word by applying it to all wars of a religious character, as, for instance, the expedition of Heraclius against the Persians in the seventh century and the conquest of Saxony by Charlemagne.

The idea of the crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christendom only from the eleventh to the fifteenth century; this supposes a union of all peoples and sovereigns under the direction of the popes. All crusades were announced by preaching. After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church. Crusaders were also granted indulgences and temporal privileges, such as exemption from civil jurisdiction, inviolability of persons or lands, etc. Of all these wars undertaken in the name of Christendom, the most important were the Eastern Crusades, which are the only ones treated in this article. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm

We (Western Civilization) did win some and lose some of these wars. At times Christians Europeans occupied these lands only to be driven out again. The point is at that time the only reason that the Muslim world was rich and powerful enough to put up a fight, was the fact that they controlled the trade routs that we (Christendom) depended. Once we found a way around those trade routs the power and wealth of those Muslim countries faded rapidly. Not until the 20th Century, did the Muslim start to regain its wealth because of our need for oil. Once again they controlled transportation. If we find a viable alternative to oil they will pose no threat to us as they follow their camels around the desert once more.

To put it in very simple terms that you can understand:

If we don’t need their oil, we win and our sons and daughters don’t have to die!


26 posted on 09/13/2008 5:00:02 PM PDT by Calculus_of_Consent
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