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Polling Data Site Shows McCain With Electoral College Lead
www.fivethirtyeight.com ^ | 09/11/08 | Nate Silver

Posted on 09/11/2008 6:39:17 PM PDT by thatdewd

(My comment) The site FiveThirtyEight uses a unique model to crunch the polling data from around the country...and they show McCain with an electoral college lead: Obama 266 - McCain 272.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008polls; election; electionpresident; mccainpalin
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From the site's FAQ:

"There are several principal ways that the FiveThityEight methodology differs from other poll compilations:
Firstly, we assign each poll a weighting based on that pollster's historical track record, the poll's sample size, and the recentness of the poll. More reliable polls are weighted more heavily in our averages.
Secondly, we include a regression estimate based on the demographics in each state among our 'polls', which helps to account for outlier polls and to keep the polling in its proper context.
Thirdly, we use an inferential process to compute a rolling trendline that allows us to adjust results in states that have not been polled recently and make them ‘current’.
Fourthly, we simulate the election 10,000 times for each site update in order to provide a probabilistic assessment of electoral outcomes based on a historical analysis of polling data since 1952. The simulation further accounts for the fact that similar states are likely to move together, e.g. future polling movement in states like Michigan and Ohio, or North and South Carolina, is likely to be in the same direction.

1 posted on 09/11/2008 6:39:22 PM PDT by thatdewd
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To: thatdewd
I think the election is McCain's to lose. All Obama can do is react.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 09/11/2008 6:41:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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3 posted on 09/11/2008 6:42:51 PM PDT by Gator_that_eats_Dems
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To: thatdewd
538 is an interesting website that performs a complex weighting of various polls. It may turn out to be better than the RCP version and it is certainly more sophisticated.

That said, it is very left-leaning and the postings and comments on the various polls and the 538 projections are from an Obama point of view. So caustion is advised.

4 posted on 09/11/2008 6:48:42 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: thatdewd

Interesting site.

Seems a bit biased to the left though despite showing McCain leading.


5 posted on 09/11/2008 6:49:20 PM PDT by RockinRight (Obama who?)
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To: thatdewd

(Do I have to say it?)

6 posted on 09/11/2008 6:50:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: goldstategop
John Fund : Prevent Election Fraud Or '08 Could Be '00VIDEO
7 posted on 09/11/2008 6:51:20 PM PDT by paltz
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To: goldstategop

When McCain got 300 EV Wed morning after the election I will be happy until then its a Work in progress.

Lets not get lulled into a trance there still a lot of things that can go wrong.


8 posted on 09/11/2008 6:51:36 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: Gator_that_eats_Dems

E X C E L L E N T
9 posted on 09/11/2008 6:52:09 PM PDT by rvoitier ("I'll see you at the debate, bitches!" ~~ Paris Hilton, '08 Campaign)
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To: Revolting cat!
"Confound it, man!
10 posted on 09/11/2008 6:52:59 PM PDT by rvoitier ("I'll see you at the debate, bitches!" ~~ Paris Hilton, '08 Campaign)
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11 posted on 09/11/2008 6:54:11 PM PDT by Gator_that_eats_Dems
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To: InterceptPoint
[That website] is very left-leaning and the postings and comments on the various polls and the 538 projections are from an Obama point of view.

So a Liberal website is saying that the Electoral College is leaning toward McCain. Imagine what would be the result if it was a neutral website.

12 posted on 09/11/2008 6:54:34 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Bailee
Lets not get lulled into a trance there still a lot of things that can go wrong.

You are so right. The confidence around here is starting to worry me.

13 posted on 09/11/2008 6:56:53 PM PDT by freespirited (Obama's idea of change: from D.C. politics as usual to Chicago politics as usual.)
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To: thatdewd

This is a great site, huge amounts of information. The simulation approach is by far the best way to make predictions under uncertainty, when you can estimate the distribution of possible results state by state.

What it says is this race is tight as a tick. It all comes down to OH, CO, NV, MI and WI.


14 posted on 09/11/2008 6:57:19 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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15 posted on 09/11/2008 6:57:30 PM PDT by Gator_that_eats_Dems
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To: thatdewd

Color me skeptical, not because I don’t think McCain will win, it’s just that this sounds an awful lot like the way Dr. Hansen measures temperature.


16 posted on 09/11/2008 6:57:52 PM PDT by Thurifer the Censer (If you can see the altar, there's not enough smoke)
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To: InterceptPoint

I’ve read his site for awhile now. He’s a self-disclosed Obama supporter who basically sits at home and takes all the polls he can find and seems to jumble them up in his own algorithms.

It isn’t real scientific since he relies on other polling entities data and has a Dem bias, but I do find the guy’s stuff interesting to read.

The reason you see so many Democratic replies is that his site was touting an Obama electoral blowout for awhile, so many of my democratic friends would go there claiming his site as “proof” of an Obama landslide soon to come.

In fairness, the guy has reversed his data now as these polls come in much more favorable to McCain.


17 posted on 09/11/2008 6:58:05 PM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: Revolting cat!

His hands are backwards.


18 posted on 09/11/2008 6:59:22 PM PDT by reformed_dem (I'm voting for Sarah and her running mate.)
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To: RockinRight
That site is run by leftists, but for the most part they are reasonable and provide interesting takes on the polls.

This is not the first time McCain has lead in their projections. I think it is safe to say they never expected him to reopen a lead heading into the middle of September.

19 posted on 09/11/2008 7:01:49 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: thatdewd

Interesting, I always considered that site to be in the tank for the Dems.


20 posted on 09/11/2008 7:03:06 PM PDT by jerry557
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