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To: Fichori; TrevorSnowsrap; mrjesse
“Are you denying that the second stake is pointing to where the Sun actually was when you placed the first stake that pointed to the apparent position of the Sun?”

I will assert that anytime you drive a stake into the ground pointing at the apparent position of the Sun, it will be pointing within 21 arcseconds of the Suns actual position.(Not considering atmospheric refraction.)

Then you would be wrong. When you drive the stake in at Noon it is pointing at the Suns current apparent position and its true position as of 11:51:40 (the time it takes for light to travel from the Sun to the earth) . When you drive in the second stake at 12:08:20, you get the Suns current apparent position and its actual position at Noon.

The first stake gives you the Suns apparent position at Noon and the second stake gives you the Suns true position at Noon. So with both stakes you can now determine the angle between the Suns apparent and actual position at Noon which was apx. 2.1 degrees.

So to summarize both fichori and mrjesse believe that the Sun or any other object in the heavens is exactly where it appears to be (or at least within 21 arcseconds), they are wrong as my simple experiment amply demonstrates.

1,993 posted on 10/05/2008 8:00:21 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande; Fichori; mrjesse
“The first stake gives you the Suns apparent position at Noon and the second stake gives you the Suns true position at Noon. So with both stakes you can now determine the angle between the Suns apparent and actual position at Noon which was apx. 2.1 degrees.”

Yes, the earth may rotate 2.1 degrees but the angular displacement being talked about is relative to a straight line pointing to the sun which would not be 2.1 degrees. Also, the angular displacement is relative to one’s location on earth. It would be a maximum at the equator but varies according to latitude.

In any case, this angular displacement (2.1 degrees) of the earth when converted to an angular displacement relative to a line pointing toward the sun is quite small (.32") compared to the effects due to the orbit of the earth around the sun (20").

1,995 posted on 10/05/2008 9:16:24 AM PDT by TrevorSnowsrap
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To: LeGrande; TrevorSnowsrap; mrjesse
“So to summarize both fichori and mrjesse believe that the Sun or any other object in the heavens is exactly where it appears to be (or at least within 21 arcseconds), they are wrong as my simple experiment amply demonstrates.” [excerpt]
Your simple experiment does not measure the gravitational pull of the sun.

The only thing that it proves is that the Earth turns 360° in 24 hours.

LeGrande, I think its time you answered the question I asked you in 1980 and 1991

1,998 posted on 10/05/2008 11:12:22 AM PDT by Fichori (ironic: adj. 1 Characterized by or constituting irony. 2 Obamy getting beat up by a girl.)
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To: LeGrande; Fichori; TrevorSnowsrap
Said LeGrande: So to summarize both fichori and mrjesse believe that the Sun or any other object in the heavens is exactly where it appears to be (or at least within 21 arcseconds), they are wrong as my simple experiment amply demonstrates.

That's almost correct. But if an object has great sideways velocity then it may have more light-time-correction then 20 arcseconds - but I'm not aware of any such thing.

-Jesse
2,004 posted on 10/05/2008 2:15:16 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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