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To: LeGrande; TrevorSnowsrap; mrjesse
“While you were right about the apparent and actual positions not being the same, you are dead wrong about them being 2.1° apart.

At least you have completely failed to demonstrate otherwise.”
“Then do this little experiment. Go outside on a sunny day at noon and pound a stake into the ground, so that there is no shadow. Then 8.3 minutes later pound another stake into the ground so that there is no shadow from it either and make it so that the points of the stakes that you drove in the ground meet each other. Measure the angle. If it isn't close to 2.1 degrees, I will publicly and humbly admit that I was wrong.

Will you do the same if it is close to 2.1 degrees?

Can you think of a better demonstration to prove or disprove the assertion?”
Your little experiment does not prove where the actual position of the Sun is.

It only proves that the Earth is either turning or being orbited.

You have yet to prove that there is a 2.1° difference between the actual(gravitational) and apparent(optical) position of the Sun.

You have already admitted that the optical(apparent) and gravitational(actual) positions are essentially the same for an observer on the north poll.

You have adamantly asserted that that this alleged 2.1° difference between the actual and observed position of the Sun is entirely due to the rotation of the Earth.

The only differences between the equator and the north poll are the surface speed and the transverse movement relative to the Sun.

What causes the 2.1°.
Surface speed or transverse movement.
1,980 posted on 10/04/2008 5:09:31 PM PDT by Fichori (ironic: adj. 1 Characterized by or constituting irony. 2 Obamy getting beat up by a girl.)
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To: Fichori
Your little experiment does not prove where the actual position of the Sun is.

It only proves that the Earth is either turning or being orbited.

Are you denying that the second stake is pointing to where the Sun actually was when you placed the first stake that pointed to the apparent position of the Sun?

1,989 posted on 10/04/2008 9:39:35 PM PDT by LeGrande
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