[LeGrande]

Are you asserting that if you go out at Noon and point a transit directly at the center of the Suns light that the Sun is exactly where it appears to be i.e. in other words could you draw a straight line from the center of the earth through you to the center of the sun? Or in other words if you shot a rifle (that fired an instantaneous bullet) that it would hit the center of the Sun? Or would you have to lead the Sun a little to compensate for the fact that it took the light about 8.3 minutes to get from the Sun to your eyes?

LeGrande, You're totally skirting around the issue!

LOL That is precisely the issue. You are simply afraid to answer the question : )

but for those of you who don't know my view on the apparent position of the sun -- it is that the sun's position appears about 20 arcseconds ahead (compared to the direction of transverse velocity of the observer) of where it is due to Stellar Aberration.

Your misnamed Stellar Aberration (Annual aberration) is due to the orbit of the Earth around the Sun and has almost nothing to do with the the original question which is based on the rotation of the Earth, not its orbital velocity. Why won't you answer the question?

Now please -- deal with the issues. If the sun was 12 light hours away, would it's gravitational pull be one way while it's apparent position at an instant to an observer on the earth would be the other way?

Huh? You tell me to deal with the issue and then change the subject? Why are you moving the Sun out twice the radius of the Solar System, when you don't even understand the original point?

[mrjesse]

Are you asserting that if you go out at Noon and point a transit directly at the center of the Suns light that the Sun is exactly where it appears to be i.e. in other words could you draw a straight line from the center of the earth through you to the center of the sun? Or in other words if you shot a rifle (that fired an instantaneous bullet) that it would hit the center of the Sun? Or would you have to lead the Sun a little to compensate for the fact that it took the light about 8.3 minutes to get from the Sun to your eyes?

I already answered that! As I said before - the sun is displaced by about 20 arcseconds.

In case your thinking is not working, that means that if you pointed at where the sun appears to be, you will be about 20 arcseconds off from pointing at it's actual position. And 20 seconds means "Not zero."

Huh? You tell me to deal with the issue and then change the subject? Why are you moving the Sun out twice the radius of the Solar System, when you don't even understand the original point?

You said that the sun appears 2.1 degrees behind where it actually is at any point in time for an observer on earth. You also said that if it was further, the angle would be greater. You complain about me not answering your questions of the past 2 days - but you still haven't answered my questions from 2 weeks ago or whatever! What sort of game is this? you refuse to answer mine but keep complaining that I don't answer yours?

-Jesse