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To: mrjesse
As you may know, the earth's rotation gives a surface speed at the equator of about a thousand miles an hour. The earth's velocity on its orbit around the sun is about 67K mph. And that amounts to at most 21 arcseconds! Since the sun isn't moving very fast, the light-time correction for it is even way below the 21 arcseconds of stellar aberration.

LOL I don't even know where to begin :(

First off the Sun is orbiting the Milky way at about 150 miles per second ( something like half a million miles an hour) So the Sun is moving fast : ) Second the earths rotation that you consider so slow is equivalent to the Sun rotating the Earth in a single day! That would be fast. Isn't this mixing of coordinate systems fun:)

I think there is a reason that you refuse to answer yes or no, and it is the same reason you cannot provide scientific documents backing up your claim - because you're wrong and not honest enough to admit it. What else can I think?

Maybe that you have failed to explicitly frame your question? Since you are insisting on a yes or no answer, I am insisting that you properly define the question. Is that too much to ask?

I have no doubt that this is why science in the classroom today is in such shambles - crazy unsubstantiated ideas are taught and noone is allowed to ask -- or answer -- tough questions, because if they did, the whole evolutionary priesthood would come crashing down.

And this from someone who doesn't think the Sun is moving very fast : )

1,494 posted on 09/20/2008 6:58:43 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande
First off the Sun is orbiting the Milky way at about 150 miles per second ( something like half a million miles an hour) So the Sun is moving fast : )<

I'd never thought about the speed at which our solar system is moving through space. I learn something every day! Thanks!

But in any case, I calculated the sun's angular displacement due to our universe's velocity through space to be about 0.04 degrees - nowheres near your 2.1 degrees and having nothing whatsoever to do with the rotational rate of the earth. So it's a nice and interesting diversion but it is a diversion - you are still skirting around the question. And I'm not certain it's a valid argument anyway - some writers seem to say that it only applies to relative velocity (which doesn't make sense to me) and others seem to indicate that there's no particular way to measure it. But in any case, it's all besides the point.

Second the earths rotation that you consider so slow is equivalent to the Sun rotating the Earth in a single day! That would be fast. Isn't this mixing of coordinate systems fun:)

It's not equivalent in all ways however. Your trusty ring laser gyro knows the difference because of the light in it, and the Sun's light knows the difference too!

Remember, your longstanding and firmly argued point is that there is a 2.1 degree angular displacement to an observer on the earth due to the earth's rotational rate of 2.1 degrees in the 8.3 minutes it takes light to reach the earth from the sun, as measured at an instant in time.

But all the Aberrations and light time corrections put together are still waaaaay below your claimed 2.1 degrees and aren't for the same reason as your claimed 2.1 degrees.

Maybe that you have failed to explicitly frame your question? Since you are insisting on a yes or no answer, I am insisting that you properly define the question. Is that too much to ask?

Wrong again - I asked you to answer yes or no OR a number in degrees for angular displacement. Go look! If I had done my math wrong and the correct answer was a different number of degrees, you could have said those. And besides, the question was for example in the case of Pluto "...Is it displaced by about 102 degrees: yes or no." Either it is or it isn't -- so even if I did my math wrong and you can't be bothered to do it right, just answer "no." Or you could always say "Some days yes, other days no, it depends on xyz." But the fact is that you are wrong and won't admit it.

And this from someone who doesn't think the Sun is moving very fast : )

You're taking my statements way out of context. I was talking about angular movement with respect to the earth. But even considering it to be moving at half a million miles an hour with the earth, that's still not very fast compared to light. It's nowhere's near fast enough to cause your alleged 2.1 degrees.


1,553 posted on 09/20/2008 4:16:27 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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