[LeGrande]

As we've told you many times before, the apparent position of the sun is about 21 arcseconds lagged behind the actual position due to the earth's transverse velocity - in other words, Stellar Aberration.

Does that answer your question fully?

No because you are talking about the orbit of the Earth not the rotation of the Earth.

But at least you acknowledge that the apparent position is not the actual position which was my whole point in the first place.

You claimed that they were the same.

[mrjesse]

No because you are talking about the orbit of the Earth not the rotation of the Earth.

But at least you acknowledge that the apparent position is not the actual position which was my whole point in the first place.

You claimed that they were the same.

First of all, compared to your claimed 2.1 degrees, and because of your reasoning (rotational rate of earth and distance to sun) they are the same. And I have never claimed that stellar aberration did not cause a 21 arcsecond displacement.

And it is not true that your whole point is that was that they were different - maybe you were confused as tarzan in the begining when you stated "2.1 degrees at any instant to an observer on earth" -- but that fact is that you have repeatedly defended the idea that there was a 2.1 degree difference between the two -- so are you now changing your mind to say that the sun is only apparently lagged by 21 arcseconds from its actual position?

No because you are talking about the orbit of the Earth not the rotation of the Earth.

Wait a second! I answered your question exactly! You just don't want to get roped into answering yes or no I suspect :-)

And in any case, the biggest scientifically known source of apparent angular displacement is Stellar Aberration which has nothing to do with the distance to the sun but only the transverse velocity of the earth. As you may know, the earth's rotation gives a surface speed at the equator of about a thousand miles an hour. The earth's velocity on its orbit around the sun is about 67K mph. And that amounts to at most 21 arcseconds! Since the sun isn't moving very fast, the light-time correction for it is even way below the 21 arcseconds of stellar aberration.

Are you talking about stellar aberration or light-time correction? or what? Why can you not produce a single scientific document that backs up your claim that the actual and apparent positions of the sun are about 2.1 degrees apart due to the earth's rotational speed and the flight time of light from sun to earth to an observer on the earth at any given instant? or is that not your claim?

I think there is a reason that you refuse to answer yes or no, and it is the same reason you cannot provide scientific documents backing up your claim - because you're wrong and not honest enough to admit it. What else can I think?

So please, if you haven't the integrity to be honest when you don't understand things, please don't go around pretending like you know what you're talking about when you know that you don't know.

I have no doubt that this is why science in the classroom today is in such shambles - crazy unsubstantiated ideas are taught and noone is allowed to ask -- or answer -- tough questions, because if they did, the whole evolutionary priesthood would come crashing down.

-Jesse