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Says LeGrande: MrJesse had a hard time understanding the 'frame of reference' concept. Everything is relative to the 'frame of reference' : )

LeGrande, your claim is that at any given instant to an observer on the earth, the apparent position will be about 2.1 degrees lagged behind its actual (and gravitational) position.

It does not require the discussions of any time frame of reference when we are discussing a given instance in time. All we are discussing is the difference in the position of the sun's apparent and gravitational/actual angle.

Mathematically speaking, the distance to the sun is (for the purposes of this discussion) constant, as is the rotational rate of the earth and the speed of light. Since all those remain constant, the only question is the angular displacement at any given instant.

LeGrande has a hard time with yes or no questions... :-)

So, at Pluto's furthest part of its orbit, it is 6.8 light hours away, in which time the earth rotates about 102 degrees. Under these conditions, when I look straight up at night with my telescope and see Pluto, at the instant I see it straight up where will it be? Yes or no: Will it be displaced by about 102 degrees -- in other words, not even in the night sky?

What about a stationary heavenly body that was 12 light hours away? Would it appear to be on the east horizon while it and its gravitational pull would actually be toward the west horizon at the same given instant? (to an observer on earth of course..!) Yes or no! I tried to make that one easy for you.

By the way, have you yet even furnished a single scientific document which backs up your claim? or are you the only scientist in the world that knows this?

Once we get a coherent yes or no solution to this very simple problem then we will be more equipped to discuss frames of reference or whatever you want.

Thanks,

-Jesse