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Does affirmative action help or hurt African American law students?
Los Angeles Times ^ | 8 Sep | Carol Williams

Posted on 09/10/2008 5:14:35 PM PDT by flowerplough

In his 19 years as a law professor at UCLA, Richard Sander has pondered a nagging question: Does affirmative action help or hinder African Americans who want to become lawyers?

Two years ago, he published research suggesting that racial preferences at law firms might be responsible for black lawyers' high rate of attrition and difficulty making partner. He hypothesized that in the interest of promoting diversity, law firms sometimes hired black lawyers who were underqualified, and that when there was a "credentials gap" between black and white lawyers at a firm, black lawyers often were less likely to advance and more likely to leave the firm.

The research stirred debate throughout the legal community, and Sander said he was surprised at the vehemence with which people attacked his motives. A former Volunteers in Service to America participant, fair-housing activist and campaigner for Chicago's first black mayor, Sander, who is white, insisted he was simply trying to examine an important question.

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In the end, he hopes to explain why, as reported in a Law School Admissions Council study in the 1990s, blacks are four times as likely as whites to fail the bar exam on the first try.

The state bar has refused to facilitate his probe. Citing privacy concerns, the bar has denied him access to detailed demographic data collected from exam-takers since 1972.

Many lawyers, scholars and diversity advocates have applauded the bar's action.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: academia; affirmativeaction; affirmativeadvantage; barexam; lawschool; lawyers
The state bar has refused to facilitate his probe. Citing privacy concerns, the bar has denied him access to detailed demographic data collected from exam-takers since 1972.

lawyers is as lawyers does, hayna? 99% of 'em give the rest a bad name.
1 posted on 09/10/2008 5:14:35 PM PDT by flowerplough
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Affirmative action hurts everyone across the board
affirmative action negates qualification
Giving someone a title because of the color of thier skin first and experience second, in some physical jobs could be very dangerous for all involved


2 posted on 09/10/2008 5:20:41 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (IF YOU ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE BY 35 YOU HAVE NO BRAIN. W CHURCHILL)
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The change must occur at the cultural/home level. Black families must take academic study seriously, like other minorities do. Accept no failure, no excuse. Then the black children will be ready for college (and life) and succeed.


3 posted on 09/10/2008 5:23:38 PM PDT by Clock King (Under revision...)
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To: ronnie raygun

You nailed it dead center! Well done!

LLS


4 posted on 09/10/2008 5:30:02 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except for dims!)
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To: flowerplough

I’m waiting for Obama to trial balloon a “divine right” theme. He thinks he’s owed the Oval Office and he’s already demonstrated arrogance in the religion department.


5 posted on 09/10/2008 5:33:48 PM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: flowerplough
Does affirmative action help or hurt African American law students???????????

Here sure as heck hurts the people they represent after they begin a practice.

6 posted on 09/10/2008 5:42:09 PM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: flowerplough
Sander said he was surprised at the vehemence with which people attacked his motives. A former Volunteers in Service to America participant, fair-housing activist and campaigner for Chicago's first black mayor, Sander, who is white, insisted he was simply trying to examine an important question.

"Hey! I'm not some right-winger! I should be allowed academic freedom."

7 posted on 09/10/2008 5:42:47 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (UN the horse you rode in on.)
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“He hypothesized that in the interest of promoting diversity, law firms sometimes hired black lawyers who were underqualified”

Isn’t that the definition of “affirmative action”?


8 posted on 09/10/2008 5:53:04 PM PDT by mike-zed
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To: flowerplough

It hurts because the student will never believe he is at the same level as his peers. It’s an insult to students and says they have failed to meet high standards.


9 posted on 09/10/2008 5:56:47 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: flowerplough
When The Most Ethical President In History had his heart surgery a few years ago I recall having seen a small bit of a press conference that his doctors held before or after the surgery.I was first struck by the fact that every one of the several doctors (I think there were four or five) at that press conference was a white male.
10 posted on 09/10/2008 6:42:31 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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Well, most of them would not BE law students without affirmative action. So yes, of course it helps them. How silly to even pose the question.
11 posted on 09/10/2008 9:22:33 PM PDT by Godwin1 (godwin)
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By the way, did Michelle Obama pass the Illinois Bar Exam? As someone who has read large excerpts of her undergraduate thesis, I have my doubts.
12 posted on 09/10/2008 9:24:59 PM PDT by Godwin1 (godwin)
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