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"...Second, the surge was a shift in mission, not simply an addition of five brigades. Until the surge, we had pursued a political solution, hoping that the answer to Iraq was the rise of a democratic government that would persuade Iraqis to come together for their future. The surge, by contrast, finally recognized the obvious: Until Iraqis started feeling safe in their own homes and neighborhoods, there would be no compromise or rebuilding."

Note the "political solution" didn't work.

1 posted on 09/09/2008 2:55:43 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: The Raven
Did you see yesterday, where Joe Biden is now taking credit for pushing the surge. He said that after two years, he was finely listened to.

Still stealing others idea's and words. Shame on Joe!

2 posted on 09/09/2008 2:59:49 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Read my lipstick")
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To: The Raven

Woodward is beltway media. I want nothing to do with these disgusting people anymore. Time to send em packin.


3 posted on 09/09/2008 3:03:55 AM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: The Raven
"an affront to his dignity that he would long remember."

Right or wrong, the Commander-in-Chief has the right to chew any general's ass, for any reason, at any time, at any place.

Put some ice on that General, and enjoy your retirement.
5 posted on 09/09/2008 3:27:39 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Ronald Reagan were with us today, he'd say "Vote McCain/Palin, & Win One More for the Gipper!!!")
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To: The Raven

You got the money quote in your reply. Nonetheless, Obama and others are obsessed with talking their way to a solution.

The Anbar Awakening and the surge account for much of the success in Iraq. We should not forget, however, that the cell phone images of Saddam hanging by the neck came immediately before the turnaround in Iraq began. A figure like Saddam was larger than life and his shadow would always hang over the country until people knew he was gone. The killing of the bastards, especially the main bastard allows people to believe in a better future.


7 posted on 09/09/2008 3:34:16 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: The Raven

This is the exact position being touted by Biden/Obama.

They wanted to withdraw all the troops and hand Baghdad over to the warring factions while Al Qaeda was still dominant.


9 posted on 09/09/2008 3:35:09 AM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............)
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To understand the fix we are in, you would have had to see nincompoopneo Douglas Feith being interviewed on 60 Minutes.

Feith is a self-affirming space cadet---if Feith somehow found a parking spot near the White House it would be tantanmount to a miracle. That he was allowed to make WH policy for the US is appalling.

60 Minutes taped intellectual zero Feith at his trusty computer where he manufactured fake documents to dupe the president of the USA and its citizens. (Jerkoff is probably typing new docs labeled Top Secret Iran. Top Secret in his addlepated mind, that is.)

Feith demnstrated a conman's adeptness at using 60 Minutes' Steve Kroft's penetrating questions to deflect blame for the costly, bloody Iraq disaster on everyone but himself and his pals---where it rightfully belongs.

One general rightfully called Feith the dumbest man in history. Feith's dumb*** involvement in US foreign-policy should have relegated pukeneos to the dustbin of history. No such luck.

These con artists flim-flammed the Washington establishment and are doing a whizbang job at transferring massive amounts of US wealth to Mideast hellholes (and into war profiteers' pockets).

Americans need to avoid the mistakes that allowed these nincompoops to achieve the status they did.

MUST READ “The Transparent Cabal.” Amazon lists this book, written by a noted historian, as one of the great history books of the decade.

11 posted on 09/09/2008 3:43:32 AM PDT by Liz (Taxpayer: one who works for the govt but doesn't have to take a civil service test. R. Reagan.)
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To: The Raven

I watched part of the bj interview with Comrade Woodward on 60-bj Minutes and though it was sickening beyond belief (”do you need a pillow, Mr. Woodward, are you sure you’re comfortable”) there was a bit at the end that was very interesting. After all the distortions, after all the blind faith in every dyspeptic remark of every disgruntled Clintonite in the Pentagon, Comrade Woodward let drop some reference to a new weapon, something that is changing the shape of the battlefield as significantly as the tank.

Some sort of robotics, I would guess.


13 posted on 09/09/2008 3:52:16 AM PDT by samtheman
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I’m sure Mortuary Bob got a great interview with al-Zarqawi after he was taken out by the 500lb LGB.


15 posted on 09/09/2008 6:50:21 AM PDT by paddles
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To: The Raven

Woodward is a jerk.


22 posted on 09/09/2008 7:44:19 AM PDT by dalebert
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Long term, my guess is the Iraq war will be seen as being fought year-by-year as extraordinarily well. There were no really super bad judgments, and non-productive tactics and strategy were redone just about as soon as could have been. The situation in Iraq was unpredictable, and not even the best of long-term strategic thinkers familiar with Iraq would have been able to predict what would happen in Iraq after Baghdad was taken.


27 posted on 09/09/2008 9:48:00 AM PDT by bvw
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