Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
Posted on 09/06/2008 6:10:15 AM PDT by IbJensen
The uproar continues over the recent statements of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who defended her pro-abortion stance or, to be more nuanced, her “pro-choice” stance supporting a woman’s “right” to choose between having a child or an abortion.
In her statement, she made it clear she was speaking “as an ardent, practicing Catholic” about “an issue that I have studied for a long time.” After saying that “the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition” of when life begins, she cites Saint Augustine to buttress her thesis and concludes that abortion is a decision “that a woman has to make with her doctor and her God.” For, she explains, “God has given us, each of us, a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions.” She proposes contraception as a solution to diminish the number of abortions. [1]
In view of the reactions to her statements, Mrs. Pelosi later issued through her spokesman, Brendan Daly, a communiqué saying: “While Catholic teaching is clear that life begins at conception, many Catholics do not ascribe to that view.”[2]
Bishops Condemn
The reaction by members of the Catholic hierarchy was immediate involving no fewer than two cardinals and ten archbishops and bishops.[3] In their notes or comments, they demonstrated the historic and doctrinal errors in Mrs. Pelosi’s statements.[4]
A communiqué by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops signed by Cardinal Justin F. Rigali, chairman of the U.S. Bishops’ Committee on Pro-Life Activities, and Bishop William E. Lori, chairman of the U.S. Bishops’ Committee on Doctrine, dispels Mrs. Pelosi’s confusion on the theory of delayed animation and its relationship with abortion. Delayed animation was a theory that questioned when the soul entered the body.
Quoting the Catechism of the Catholic Church (n. 2271) the communiqué reaffirms that the Church has condemned abortion from its early days and goes on to explain the real meaning of medieval theories about delayed animation:
“While in canon law these theories led to a distinction in penalties between very early and later abortions, the Church’s moral teaching never justified or permitted abortion at any stage of development.”[5]
Abortion and Same-Sex “Marriage” Speaker Pelosi not only refuses Church doctrine on abortion but also regarding homosexual practice by defending same-sex “marriage.”
On August 27, Speaker Pelosi issued the following statement about the death of Dorothy L. Martin (a.k.a. Del Martin), a notorious lesbian activist:
"The loss of Del Martin is a great loss for me personally, and for our entire community. ... My heart goes out to her wife Phyllis, who was her devoted partner for more than 50 years. We would not have marriage equality in California if it weren’t for Del and Phyllis. They fought and triumphed in many battles, beginning when they first bought a home together in San Francisco in 1955.”[6]
Such support for same-sex “marriage” is consistent with other statements she has made. On May 27, 2008, for example, she commented:
"I've always been in favor of it. ... I'm excited about the new poll (showing most Californians support it) and I just hope that can be sustained and we can just put this thing to rest."[7]
In addition, Mrs. Pelosi has participated several times in the “Gay Pride” parade in San Francisco and manifested her solidarity with that event when unable to participate personally. Likewise, she defended a blasphemous poster used by Folsom Street homosexuals to ridicule the Last Supper.[8]
Abandoning Natural Law
The practices of abortion and homosexuality are clearly contrary to natural law, which in turn is a reflection of eternal law and of God’s wisdom and will governing the universe.
At the very least, accepting abortion (or the “pro-choice” euphemism) implies a denial of the fundamental principle of natural law (do good and avoid evil), since no one can claim abortion is good.
Once the distinction between good and evil has been denied the whole notion of morality is discarded and any deviant behavior can be accepted, including homosexual practice and same-sex “marriage.”
Thus, Speaker Pelosi’s position favoring abortion and homosexual “marriage” is consistent. Sadly, consistency in error draws people ever farther from the truth.
A revolt against the Magisterium of the Church. Revolt against the Magisterium of the Church Here we repeat the extremely grave statement by Mrs. Pelosi, through her spokesman, Brendan Daly: “While Catholic teaching is clear that life begins at conception, many Catholics do not ascribe to that view.”[9]
This statement clearly shows revolt against the Magisterium of the Church, and therefore against the Church Herself. At stake here is not the philosophical question of when animation takes place but the principle of natural and God’s law that condemns every attempt against innocent human life, and therefore, abortion.
Our Lord did not entrust His Church to feminist activists or politicians but to the Pope and bishops. Their function is not to adapt the message of the Gospel to the whims of the world but to preserve, maintain and correctly interpret Revelation.
On identifying herself with dissident Catholics who reject the Church’s Magisterium, the House Speaker seems to believe that her status as a politician supersedes that of a Catholic or that as a politician she is exempted from the dictates of natural law and divine law.
How, then, can she call herself an “ardent, practicing Catholic?”
The words of the Savior clearly resound in truly Catholic hearts:
“Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. ... Whoever loves me will keep my word ... Whoever does not love me does not keep my word.”[10]
One Cannot Serve Two Masters
In the final analysis, in their eagerness to render religion compatible with the world and appreciated by the worldly, dissident liberal Catholics increasingly abandon the most fundamental principles of Catholic dogma and morals.
However, one cannot please both God and the world. One cannot accept both the Law of God and the law of the world. This is the great illusion of liberals. In their quest to please the world they end up abandoning the Law of God even when paying lip service to it.
The admonition of Saint John is clear: “Do not love the world or the things of the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.”[11]
Footnotes:
Meet the Press, Videotape, Transcript, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26377338/page/3/, http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=mwUSt7dfj5I. Michael Paulson, “Bishops criticize Pelosi over abortion,” The Boston Globe, Aug 26, 2008, www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2008/08/catholic_bishop.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed7 Cardinal Justin Rigali, of Philadelphia and Cardinal Edward Egan, of New York, Archbishop Donald Wuerl, of Washington; Archbishop Charles Chaput, of Denver; Archbishop José H. Gomez, of Santo Antonio and his auxiliary bishop Oscar Cantú; Bishop James Conley, auxiliary bishop of Denver, Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Center, Bishop Robert Vasa, of Baker and Bishop William E. Lori, of Bridgeport. Michael Paulson, “Bishops criticize Pelosi over abortion,” The Boston Globe, Aug 26, 2008, www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2008/08/catholic_bishop.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed7 - 44k, Lauren Green, “The Speaker Blew It! Nancy Pelosi and the Catholic Church on Abortion,” Aug. 27, 2008 The Fox Forum, http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/27/pelosi-and-the-catholic-church-on-abortion/. Jacqueline L. Salmon, “Archbishop Disputes Pelosi's Statements ─ Abortion Comments Spur Swift Denial,” at http://www.washingtonpo st.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082603215_pf.html. Bishops respond to House Speaker Pelosi’s misrepresentation of Church teaching against abortion, at http://usccb.org/; Listed: American Bishops who have spoken against Pelosi, The American Papist, Aug. 27, 2008, http://www.americanpapist.com/2008/08/listed-american-bishops-who-have-spoken.html. “Bishops respond to House Speaker Pelosi’s misrepresentation of Church teaching against abortion,” http://www.usccb.org/; Pelosi Statement on Passing of Del Martin, Wednesday, August 27, 2008, http://www.house.gov/pelosi/press/releases/Aug08/del.html. Carla Marinucci, “Pelosi vows to prevent fight at Dem convention,” SFGate, May 29, 2008, http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/28/MNQE10V1UL.DTL&tsp=1. Cf. Matthew S. Bajko, “Political Notebook: Speaker Pelosi declines Pride invitation,” Bay Area Reporter, June 14, 2007, http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=1924, Jeffrey Lord, “When Nancy Met Harry,” The American Spectator, Oct. 5, 2006, http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10450 “Folsom Street "Last Supper Ad" Sparks Controversy, Rep. Nancy Pelosi Defends Folsom Street Poster At Friday News Conference, KTVU.com, Sept. 28, 2007, http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:H3q-Ake0Y9wJ:www.ktvu.com/news/14227320/detail.html+Pelosi+Folsom+Street+Fair&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a. Michael Paulson, “Bishops criticize Pelosi over abortion,” The Boston Globe, Aug 26, 2008, www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2008/08/catholic_bishop.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed7 John 14:21-24. John 2:15
Neither.
She's a mentally unbalanced socialist.
Didn’t she say she goning to SAVE THE WORLD???
("The sky is falling! The sky is falling!")
I wonder if there are ANY normal people left in SanFran any more. While it doesn’t surprise me that this crazy woman represents the nation’s largest outdoor mental asylum, how crazy were the demonRATs to make her SOH?
If anyone is left that has half a brain, isn’t it time to put an adult in Congress? One that ISN’T nutz?
Give her a test - on anything - and she’d flunk it. Heck, she can’t even run the room O’submental commies called the house of reprehensatives.
She is the definition of dumb.
Her bishop has finally sent her a letter inviting her to have a conversation with him.
For Nancy, Judgment awaits. The following has the key to her eternity
Romans 1:18-32
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
The Speaker of the House...third in line for the Presidency...reduced to an abortion rights protester. Shouldn’t she be attending to all of Americans, and not just the ones who want retroactive birth control?
Pope Pissoffme.
Isn't that an oxymoron?
Ping
“madam speaker or moral theologian?”
the exalted, high, moral theologian of the church of the beloved saviour, marx, has indicated that she and her heirarchy have deemed human life to be what they say it is, depending upon the inconvenience to their exalted exercise of power, and freedom to move about, spreading political love and largesse. any disagreement, for now, will be considered and judged to be right wing, reactionary, red-neck, gun-toting, bible thumping extremism by their allies in the press. (so help them, still-not-buried, lenin.)
amen.
IMHO
She’s a mentally unbalanced socialist.
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
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No. It is a tautology.
Singlehandedly, she has now begun a national debate on the subject of the rights of man (generic reference), and an examination of when those rights begin, that must lead thoughtful people to conclude, as did John F. Kennedy in his Inaugural Address:
"The world is different now . . . . And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forefathers fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God."
Life, and the liberty to enjoy rights, then, are entertwined. That is the underlying philosophy of the Declaration's claim to "unalienable" rights endowed by a Creator--not "chosen" by a woman by authority of some man-made judicial opinion. It is capsulized again by Jefferson:
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."
With the scientific and technological knowledge available today, can there be serious doubt that what is conceived, if left alone and not "destroyed," is a little person who, under our Constitution, possesses rights and the liberty to "pursue happiness"?
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
Madam Speaker? Or “Moral Theologian?”'Madam Speaker' will burn in Hell. Along with Biden, Durbin, Kerry, every CINO in politics -- and every Kennedy currently suckling air.
I'm no angel, but I don't go around promoting INFANTICIDE, MURDER, RAPE and CHILD ABUSE (1) my every waking moment.
(1) Their fighting against Parental Notification of Abortions of minors and the prosecution of the rapist.
“As Christians we should pray for her.”
You’re right. Scripture also tells us to pray for all those in positions of authority to the end that we can live in peace. Thankfully, she’s not a monarch and can be voted out.
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
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No. It is a tautology.
Thanks for the chuckle, and the vocab clarification.
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