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McCain Haters For McCain
American Thinker ^ | September 05, 2008 | Randall Hoven

Posted on 09/06/2008 12:02:52 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

When McCain looked to be our nominee and Hillary was still in the running, I thought of not voting. (I live in WA, so most elections for me are “why bother?”s.) When Obama became the anointed one, and I found out more about him, I knew I would vote for McCain but without excitement. With the pick of Gov. Palin, I not only am excited to vote for the ticket, but I am thinking of bumper stickers(but afraid of car being vandalized considering where I live), signs in my yard, and I am actively promoting the ticket to everyone I know who isn’t a die-hard leftist! Every conservative I know feels the same way.


101 posted on 09/06/2008 8:55:11 AM PDT by conservative cat ("In politics if you want anything said, ask a man. If you want anything done, ask a woman. " -MT)
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To: neverdem
Here's a soldier addressing Mr. Obama directly. It's important.
102 posted on 09/06/2008 9:32:33 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: billva; Kimberly GG
There is no evidence McCain wants to move left. What there is evidence of is that he will work across party lines. My take on McCain has generally been that his leftward movement was driven not by ideology, but his need for adulation. Democrats are really good at making him feel good when he shmoozes up to them, and I wouldn't have thought conservatives could win him back.

If he sees the adulation real conservatism can attract, he may be turned to the right side.

103 posted on 09/06/2008 9:47:33 AM PDT by supercat
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To: neverdem
100+ posts and nobody's mentioned the most important thing about the pick, when compared with Obama's: the Obama/Biden ticket is a charismatic guy, plus an unexciting pick who won't threaten to outshine him. The McCain/Palin ticket is an unexciting guy with a wonderful pick whom he knows is going to outshine him.

To my mind, that shows a side of McCain's personality I had never before observed. And it suggests that regardless of ideology, he understands the key philosophy that separates liberals from conservatives: liberals believe that if they eliminate all other sources of light, their own illumination--such as it is--will appear greater. Conservatives believe that if they bring in other sources of light, their level of illumination will be made greater.

From that philosophy, conservative ideology will follow.

104 posted on 09/06/2008 9:55:45 AM PDT by supercat
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To: supercat

I have personally asked McCain to leave the party. I have
not read the whole thread, but I never thought that they
could find anyone worse than Hillary, but the dems found
Obambi right after finding and running Kerry. It looks
like they turned the barrel over and underneath was biddy
Bidden. I think if dems could run Osama Bin Hiden, they
would, but bambi is close enough.


105 posted on 09/06/2008 9:56:51 AM PDT by jusduat (I am a strange and recurring anomaly)
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To: supercat
If he sees the adulation real conservatism can attract, he may be turned to the right side.

This is going to have an effect. It is defining the right in his mind. He has to have noticed that if the base feels crossed, as they did on immigration reform, he runs into a shitstorm. When the base is pleased, as they were with Palin, they throw money at him by the bucketsfull.

106 posted on 09/06/2008 10:05:42 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP! It's gonna be a BIG one.)
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To: fightinJAG; All

Thanks for the link. Every one should hear and see it.

I could hear it when I held the speaker next to my ear. All sources of noise were turned off. The audio volume was the maximum on youtube.com, Internet Explorer and the speaker.


107 posted on 09/06/2008 11:07:14 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: supercat
"Conservatives believe that if they bring in other sources of light,
their level of illumination will be made greater. "

This ain't where McCain is coming from.
McCain knows conservatives can't stand him. So he becomes a coat-tail to Governor Palin.
Governor Palin is the bait on the mouse trap. I hope she can resign in disgust if McCain returns to the Democrat side of the isle.

Conservatives don't really care about their own illumination.
Conservatives care about "what's right".
Conservatives want government "off our backs".

We want others to "think" ... not feel ... and realize that


108 posted on 09/06/2008 11:21:32 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest
McCain knows conservatives can't stand him. So he becomes a coat-tail to Governor Palin.

Do you think Obama, having won the nomination, would allow himself to be a coat-tail to anybody?

I hope she can resign in disgust if McCain returns to the Democrat side of the isle.

As President of the Senate, she could have a pretty strong bully pulpit if she wanted to attack McCain. The media would probably eat it up, too. McCain doesn't strike me as a stupid man, and Palin doesn't strike me as a doormat.

I am reminded of a scene from Homer's "Odyssey", where Odysseus tells his men to tie him to the mast as they sail between Scylla and Charybdis. He knows that he will fall into temptation if he is not restrained, and he knows the consequences of such failure. I'm probably reading too much into things, but if Palin and McCain can talk candidly to each other I would expect they could both benefit greatly.

Conservatives don't really care about their own illumination.

The conservative politicians must care about it some if they want to be elected. The point is that conservatives recognize that their own illumination is not threatened by others' light.

Does anyone believe McCain's speech would have drawn anything near the viewership of Obama's if he hadn't nominated Gov. Palin? True, Palin's viewership numbers seem to have been higher than McCain's (margin-of-error caveats), but it's pretty clear to me that millions of people who would tuned into Palin out of curiosity, without any real interest in McCain, suddenly found themselves very interested in the McCain-Palin ticket. McCain has to notice that.

109 posted on 09/06/2008 11:40:04 AM PDT by supercat
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To: supercat
I hope you're right.

"conservatives recognize that
their own illumination
is NOT threatened by others' light."

110 posted on 09/06/2008 12:05:29 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: supercat
I hope you're right.

"conservatives recognize that
their own illumination
is NOT threatened by others' light."

On this point ... I agree. (darn typos, the reason for the second post)

111 posted on 09/06/2008 12:07:04 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest
"conservatives recognize that
their own illumination
is NOT threatened by others' light.">

I thought the format was 5-7-5. Perhaps

Conservatives know
Their own illumination
Is helped by others'.
The anapestic trimeter of the originals' first and third lines is nicer than the 5-syllable meter of the revised version. Not that I'd intended the line as verse to begin with.
112 posted on 09/06/2008 1:26:15 PM PDT by supercat
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To: neverdem

I think it earlier in the year and McCain said something like my, friends calm down relax. Okay from now until election day I am on the guys side because of the alternative. After election day we need to make sure that President elect McCain doesn’t start amnesty negotations with Ted Kennedy.


113 posted on 09/06/2008 1:30:54 PM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: supercat
My division is
to allow the reader time to absorb the thought,
and isn't intended to be verse.
114 posted on 09/06/2008 1:31:44 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: mainerforglobalwarming
After election day we need to make sure that President elect McCain doesn’t start amnesty negotations with Ted Kennedy.

I have faith in God that his plan will prevent that from happening.

115 posted on 09/06/2008 1:33:00 PM PDT by usmcobra (A vote for McCain & Palin is a vote against Obama bin Biden)
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To: usmcobra

I hope your right. My guess is that God gave us all the free will to do good and evil. We’ll see which path the America comes first President decides to take.


116 posted on 09/06/2008 1:35:41 PM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: mainerforglobalwarming
"we need to make sure that President elect McCain doesn’t start amnesty negotations with Ted Kennedy"

And just how we gonna' stop `em.

117 posted on 09/06/2008 1:36:00 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: usmcobra
"faith in God that His plan will prevent that from happening"

Don't you understand the curses to come?

118 posted on 09/06/2008 1:46:17 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: neverdem

DAMN STRAIGHT, YO !!

PALIN and the other guy 08 !!


119 posted on 09/06/2008 1:53:17 PM PDT by RachelFaith (VP PALIN 2009-2016 ~ PRESIDENT PALIN 2017-2024 !!)
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To: Yosemitest
What part of God has a plan don't you understand?

Faith means trusting in the power of the almighty and his works no matter what comes your way.

120 posted on 09/06/2008 1:59:57 PM PDT by usmcobra (A vote for McCain & Palin is a vote against Obama bin Biden)
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