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To: mnehrling
I'll repeat what I've said- the immigration problem is a symptom of the culture of liberalism, not the cause of it.

Empty generalizations won't solve the problem. The causes of the problem are failed legal immigration policies that hurt this nation and the lack of enforcement of our existing laws. How are you going to solve the problem specifically? We don't need "hope and change" solutions or empty platitudes. Do you even understand the problem?

You want to cure a cold, don't just blow your nose, go after the virus. Blowing your nose only is a temporary fix for your nose.

I provided you with plenty of data, which you obviously have failed to read. Until you wish to discuss this issue in a reasoned way without reflexive emotion and nonsensicial analogies, I am wasting my time.

Neither Obama, nor McCain are going to improve the illegal immigration issue, but one of those two will be President. At least we have leverage with McCain, just as we had leverage with Bush over Meyers and Amnesty. The responsibility is back in our hands.

As someone who actually fought this battle on the Hill lobbying against it, you are completely wrong on why McCain-Kennedy failed. Bush, Rove, Martinez, and others in the WH were supporting McCain-Kennedy. We had no leverage against the WH. It was just the opposite. The WH was using its leverage against us.

The reason that McCain-Kennedy failed was because of grassroots organizations like NumbersUSA [Roy Beck], FAIR, Grassfire, etc. mobilized public opinion against the bill. We bombarded Congress with faxes and telephone calls. The political and corporate elites lost this battle, but the war is still on.

In addtion to the White House, we had some very powerful forces arrayed against us, including the American Chamber of Commerce, the Dems, labor unions, the Catholic Church, the ACLU, La Raza, etc. They continue to push for amnesty and guest worker programs. Subsequent to the defeat of McCain-Kennedy, these forces tried to pass amnesty piecemeal including attaching the Dream Act to the DOD appropriation bill and a guest worker program to the Ag bill. Cong Price [D-NC] is trying to eviscerate the 287 [g] program in his committee and Senator Menendez [D-NJ] is trying to kill e-verify, which expires in November.

McCain took the defeat of McCain-Kennedy as a personal affront. He is determined to get CIR passed. He holds grudges, witness his reaction to his defeat in 2000. He was only one of two Rep senators to vote against the Bush tax cuts and he almost became Kerry's running mate. As someone who has been fighting McCain for several years on immigration starting with the 2006 Senate amnesty bill that passed, I have no doubt that he will do whatever is necessary to get amnesty passed whether he is in the Senate or the WH. We will have absolutely no leverage on him. The battle will be fought in the House. Amnesty will pass easily in the Senate.

2,649 posted on 09/05/2008 7:49:04 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: kabar

It’ll be deja vu all over again. We’ve been fighting our own party so long again amnesty, it’s an uphill battle. At some point, we will lose I fear.

Thank you for your efforts to save our country.


2,652 posted on 09/05/2008 7:55:22 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: kabar

Thanks so much for all the time you put into your posts and all the research that you do. Your posts on illegal immigration have been most informative and reinforce my concern. I think we know that we will be forced to hold our noses and vote for McCain, but I’m tired of having to hold my nose when I vote.

If we have to vote for him, the least we can do is make darn sure that ‘no amnesty’ gets repeated, over and over and drilled into his brain. We need to keep it on the front burner at all times and we need to get Palin to tell us where she stands.

Like you, I’m not a single issue voter, but, I realize the major importance of this issue.


2,699 posted on 09/05/2008 4:22:34 PM PDT by Netizen
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