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To: Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Kolokotronis
In the Revolutionary War, they [liberals] either would have surrendered immediately, or negotiated for a while, and then surrendered. There would be no United States of America today if the types of people who are today's liberals were the leaders back then

I think that is a caricature of anything that is not "conservative" as treasonous. The Bush Administration certainly managed to create that world view, claiming monopoly on patriotism. Nothing could be further form the truth.

Pres. F. Roosevelt was liberal by our standards, yet the only member of Congress who voted against declaring war on Japan in 1941 was a Republican congresswoman.

John F. Kennedy was a liberal yet he did the wisely to blockade Cuba before resoritng to a world-devastting nuclear war. It was Richard Nixon who pulled us out of Vietnam rather than persuing the intervantionist policy of the liberal Lyndon B. Johnson.

And it was Ronald Reagen who foolishly sent the Marines to to Lebanon (something the liberal-now-turned "conservative" John McCain vehemently opposed), where they suffered unnecessary casualties and accomplished nothing. It was Carter who sent a rescue mission to Iran to free the hostages there. Unfortunately, the mission failed, resulting in many US casualties.

I can't think of a single American president, no matter how liberal by your standards, who would have done what you suggest—surrender immediately or negotiate for a while and then surrender.

666 posted on 09/11/2008 11:01:55 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Kolokotronis
Pres. F. Roosevelt was liberal by our standards, yet the only member of Congress who voted against declaring war on Japan in 1941 was a Republican congresswoman.

FDR also refused to help our European friends for two years when they needed us.

I can't think of a single American president, no matter how liberal by your standards, who would have done what you suggest—surrender immediately or negotiate for a while and then surrender.

Carter surrendered in effect to the terrorists by refusing to do anything about the hostage crisis for 444 days. Only at the end did he even try something. Clinton in effect surrendered to the terrorists by thinking only of himself in refusing Osama who was offered to him on a silver platter. Finally, if Obama had been in charge just before the surge he would have surrendered in effect to the terrorists by leaving Iraq at all costs. Today, Iraq would be led by Al Qaida and Iran.

706 posted on 09/13/2008 1:15:23 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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