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To: kabar

“The reality is that the earth has not warmed since 1998 and even the global warming nuts acknowledge that we are going to have a cooling trend thru 2015.”

The reality is that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Yes, there are natural variations in temperature, and El Nino likely contributed to 1998’s record heat, just as other natural oscillations have reversed that trend. But overall, natural variation is being overidden by something else, and that something is man-made. The trend toward increasing warming HAS NOT STOPPED. See:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif

for example.

I realize that this is not a politically correct opinion within this group, which allows nonsense such as “how could ‘Ice Road Truckers’ be filmed if there was really global warming?” to go unchallenged, but conservatives need to wake up and start doing something about this problem instead of ceding it to the liberals and their big government solutions.


69 posted on 08/31/2008 10:21:29 AM PDT by EnviroConservative
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To: EnviroConservative
The reality is that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Yes, there are natural variations in temperature, and El Nino likely contributed to 1998’s record heat, just as other natural oscillations have reversed that trend. But overall, natural variation is being overidden by something else, and that something is man-made. The trend toward increasing warming HAS NOT STOPPED

Newbie, you are barking up the wrong tree. There are plenty of charts and data that refute your contention. And the question is: What is causing the "warming" and can man control climate change? And what constitutes a trend in terms of global climate change?

Try this chart: All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

In the 1970's, the consensus of scientists was that we were headed into a new ice age. You have no idea what you are talking about.

70 posted on 08/31/2008 11:03:11 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: EnviroConservative
giss

Please elucidate how GISS is constructed (see climateaudit.org for example).

76 posted on 09/02/2008 12:29:18 PM PDT by palmer (The third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: EnviroConservative
El Nino likely contributed to 1998’s record heat, just as other natural oscillations have reversed that trend.

El Nino neither creates nor destroys heat, just transports it. Only the Sun adds heat and only radiation out to space removes it. If extra heat exists it must be hiding somewhere and can be measured. Where?

83 posted on 09/02/2008 1:42:11 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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