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A Financial Crime Explained (You are being ROBBED, America)
DeepCapture.com ^ | Various | Patrick Byrne

Posted on 08/28/2008 5:14:05 AM PDT by StatenIsland

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To: StatenIsland

I understand naked short selling and it ought to be a crime to buy and sell what is essentially something you do not have. Yet hedge fund managers do it every day.


21 posted on 08/28/2008 7:32:17 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: StatenIsland

BFL


22 posted on 08/28/2008 8:18:58 AM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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To: StatenIsland
Isn't this sort of what soros did to the British pound among others??

In a metaphorical kind of way.

23 posted on 08/28/2008 8:25:46 AM PDT by mouser (run the rats out its the only hope we have)
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To: StatenIsland; tx_eggman

Got it.

However, it could be much more concise.

Naked short selling is a consequence of free markets. I don’t so much mind hedge funds doing it, I dislike bailing out hedge funds that do it and get caught short!

However, you should make the distinction between hedge funds and criminal enterprises (I know, I know, what distinction?) but the later should definitely be prosecuted.


24 posted on 08/28/2008 9:01:13 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: waverna
Are there examples of this? It seems like it would be so profitable that it would eventually move up to larger and larger companies. Is this a new phenomenon?


Unfortunately I know of one painful example that I own stock in: Medis Technologies, a fuel cell manufacturer that actually makes a fairly good consumer product just entering the market.

The naked short sellers have been a particularly unpleasant eye-opening experience. Here is their related letter to the SEC regarding naked short selling of their stock.

25 posted on 08/28/2008 11:06:58 AM PDT by dickmc
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To: Lurker

“As soon as you can explain to me how these hedge fun guys can put a farm on a ship and move it out of the country, I’ll be able to follow this.”

If you wind up owning the company that owns the farm, you don’t have to put it on a ship.

We understand that when more shares are for sale than their are investors who want to buy the price of a share goes down, right? And we believe, usually rightly so, that when the price drops low enough, the stock will look attractive to more and more buyers, and the price will level off - maybe down a few percent from the beginning of the day, maybe up.

But what if the selling continued and continued and continued? What if a hedge fund not only sold the shares they owned, but sold short, which means they borrow stock to sell, and then buy back in at a later time to repay the stock they borrowed. That would put more downward pressure on the stock because it represented more selling.

But in this scenario the damage they could do would be limited - because they would have borrow stock that actually existed.

Now let’s take it to the max. What if they were short selling stock that they didn’t even borrow? Now there there is NO limit to how much downward pressure they could exert on a small cap stock. Buyers would eventually dry up and the stock would go into a freefall.

Small investors like you and I would either get stopped out or sell out of sheer panic, as we watched our investment fall to a fraction of its worth.

At the end of it all, a few things could happen. the naked shorters could cover at a fraction of the original price and make a killing.

Or someone could buy a controlling interest in the company for a fraction of its true value by buying a majority of the deflated stock.

Or the company could go bankrupt, making the naked shorters a 100% profit because they then never have to buy anything to cover.

You and I certainly aren’t buying back in - the company is a disaster, and besides, the financial media is now reporting whispers of accounting irregularities, or some other damaging rumor.

And remember, it is the small investor in small cap companies that is getting fleeced.


26 posted on 08/28/2008 11:17:06 AM PDT by StatenIsland (The '08 Election: It's about the survival of our country, not making a point...)
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To: StatenIsland
If you wind up owning the company that owns the farm, you don’t have to put it on a ship.

And if the farm isn't producing anything, it's worthless. What 'investor' in their right mind would deliberately destroy what they paid to buy?

L

27 posted on 08/28/2008 11:29:13 AM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: Nailbiter

self ping for later


28 posted on 08/28/2008 11:40:41 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Lurker

L, they don’t destroy the farm, they simply devalue it. All the artificial selling pressure makes the farm appear worthless, so that it can be bought for a song.

And don’t forget they didn’t “buy” anything - they SOLD. That money is in their pocket already.

Very simply, “naked” shorting gives the manipulators a hundred times more leverage to put downward pressure on a stock than they would ordinarily have. It is NOT a free market in operation - it is artificial.

If I gave you ten million bucks in Monopoly money and told you to invest it in a small biotech company ALL IN ONE DAY, before you finally spent the whole ten million you’d have driven the price up wouldn’t you? Because there weren’t enough sellers to satisfy you, you would have to continually offer more to entice more people to sell.

The price of the stock would go up wildly - but it would all be artificial, wouldn’t it? Because it was money backed by nothing. The company itself is worth no more or less than it was this morning, but for the artificial paper gain you caused.

Now do the same thing in reverse. The Monopoly money is the naked short.


29 posted on 08/28/2008 11:57:11 AM PDT by StatenIsland (The '08 Election: It's about the survival of our country, not making a point...)
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To: Incorrigible

“Naked short selling is a consequence of free markets. I don’t so much mind hedge funds doing it, I dislike bailing out hedge funds that do it and get caught short!”

No, In, it is a perversion of the free market. It is a against the rules, and the rules are not being enforced. It is like me giving you counterfeit money to buy stock - you might cause the stock to rise, but it would have nothing to do with free market activity. The movement of the stock would be based on a chimera, a counterfeit.

Naked shorting is the reverse of that.

I urge you to go to the website, when you have the time, to digest this information.


30 posted on 08/28/2008 12:03:34 PM PDT by StatenIsland (The '08 Election: It's about the survival of our country, not making a point...)
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To: StatenIsland

Thanks so much for the education that wasn’t included in the original piece.


31 posted on 08/28/2008 12:09:25 PM PDT by Portcall24
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To: mick

Bump


32 posted on 08/28/2008 5:24:42 PM PDT by Darnright (A penny saved is a government oversight)
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