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Georgia's Saakashvili safe for now despite losses
Reuters ^ | Wed Aug 27, 2008 | Mark Trevelyan

Posted on 08/27/2008 10:05:33 PM PDT by F-117A

Privately, some Georgians are already wondering how long Saakashvili will last.

"I don't think he'll stay," said Dato, a 21-year-old artist in Tbilisi. "I think the aggression was on our side."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: dato; georgia; provoke; saakashvile
You heard it here first...

I hope he doesn't meet Zhvania anytime soon!

1 posted on 08/27/2008 10:05:33 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: F-117A
"It's a moment of national solidarity. The opposition has called a moratorium on open differences with the government because the country is occupied."

Sounds like rabid nazi Russia has really unified the Georgian people behind their president more than ever.

Khidasheli said the government could expect a "period of silence" from the opposition...

If Russia doesn't like Saakashvili, maybe they should support Tina Khidasheli, former head of Soros' Open Society Institute in Georgia.

2 posted on 08/27/2008 10:21:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: F-117A
Privately, some Georgians are already wondering how long Saakashvili will last.

Privately because Fear Hampers Free Speech in Former Soviet Nations!

The way fear is growing in Georgia, they may well take over the first spot before the year is out!

3 posted on 08/27/2008 10:35:02 PM PDT by F-117A (Ne nuntium necare)
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To: F-117A

**”I don’t think he’ll stay,” said Dato, a 21-year-old artist in Tbilisi. “I think the aggression was on our side.”

**

Leave it to an “artist” to conclude that it was Georgia’s fault. I also find fault that this is a piece by Reuters, who’s news organization is run by Arabs and lefty reporters.


4 posted on 08/27/2008 11:01:29 PM PDT by reaganixonbush
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To: reaganixonbush

You’re right, suspect on both points.


5 posted on 08/27/2008 11:46:33 PM PDT by skr (I serve a risen Savior!)
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To: F-117A
This is exactly the same mistake Russians made here... do you really think it matters for people here whether it is Saakashvili, Bujanadze or anyone else when it come to loosing territories? Whether or not Saakashvili will be held accountable for what happened here is entire up to the people of Georgia, and as I wrote to one Russian here (he somehow neglected to answer this) I will personally ask him to stand the trial as long as Putin is tried for genocide in Chechnya and killing of children in Beslan (and MedePutin) stand for trial for what they did in Georgia. This is not about Saakashvili any more here, it's about this country and even most extreme opposition says today that Saakashvili is their president! And people fearing expressing their opinion is big BS - come over here and see for yourself what the hell local press was publishing before these hostilities began.
6 posted on 08/27/2008 11:49:15 PM PDT by Lasha
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To: skr

Any news articles by the “Axis of Evil”: Reuters, AP, Guardian UK, NYT, LAT and WAPO are all suspect.


7 posted on 08/27/2008 11:49:18 PM PDT by reaganixonbush
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To: F-117A
"I think the aggression was on our side."

Before the Georgian conflict, I considered myself a RonPaul conservative, and would probably try to put myself in her shoes - Not anymore. While i have argued the unpopular theory that muslim extremeists are but flies, the Bear waits.... Or did wait...

8 posted on 08/28/2008 12:14:20 AM PDT by maclay (America First - The rest of the world comes second)
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To: F-117A
At night, in my dreams this same problem keeps showing up: From article: Some Western officials had privately said Saakashvili shared some of the blame for triggering the initial crisis by allowing himself to be provoked by Russia.

No. No, Saakashvili does not deserve the blame.

In America, we are told that when Law Enforcement "pulls you over", to simply put your hands up and do what one is told. At the local level, YES, there is tacit agreement by each citizen as to the structure and rules which go along with being a citizen of America. So, yes; go through it.

However, the assumption in re Russia/Georgia is that Russia IS the authority and law; which in fact is NOT AGREED TO: Georgia is its own sovereign nation.

Ergo, when Russia began so obviously moving in on Georgia, firing upon Georgians not only in Georgia proper but also in So. Ossetia -- GEORGIA was OBLIGED to fire back.

It's irrelevant if leadership in So. Ossetia claims adherence to the laws enacted in Xanadu -- the fact on the ground IS that So. Ossetia is in The Sovereign Nation of Georgia.

The bottomline: The word "provoked" is wrong; and wrongly applied here.

Russia invaded Georgia. Georgia fired back to defend itself and its country.

9 posted on 08/28/2008 3:42:45 AM PDT by Alia
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To: F-117A; All
"...said Dato, a 21-year-old artist in Tbilisi. "I think the aggression was on our side."..."

This 21 year old moron doesn't even realize that in the event of a takeover by the Soviets (er...Russians), that his stupid, ignorant, narcissistic ass is one of the first classes of people that disappear in the middle of the night. Just unbelievable.

Click on this link below to see a comprehensive, well written analysis and timeline of this crisis complete with historical perspective to place it in context. It is by far and beyond the BEST I have seen.

Michael Totten explains the Crisis in Georgia

10 posted on 08/28/2008 3:46:21 AM PDT by rlmorel (If they can call George "Dubya", we can call Barack "Hussein")
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To: rlmorel

“It is by far and beyond the BEST I have seen.”

Agreed. Important read for anybody interested in this matter.


11 posted on 08/28/2008 4:19:40 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, Call 'em what you will, they ALL have Fairies livin' in their Trees.)
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To: F-117A
Hey, genius. You should understand that that survey includes participants afraid of getting the Polonium treatment direct from Moscow.

Oh, wait, you don't understand. LOLOL

12 posted on 08/28/2008 5:10:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: F-117A
"I don't think he'll stay," said Dato, a 21-year-old artist in Tbilisi. "I think the aggression was on our side."

This sounds just like the liberal nitwit 21-year-olds in the US that blame our country for 9-11.

Nice company you keep.

13 posted on 08/28/2008 5:29:07 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: rlmorel
I love this exchange in the forum below the article:

There is no doubt that the Russians have played this situation but the Georgians have been stupid and brutal. Here is an eyewitness report from inside South Ossetia during the Georgian bombardment:

http://www.iwpr.net/?p=crs&s=f&o=346117&apc_state=henpcrs

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"the Georgians have been stupid and brutal. Here is an eyewitness -"

A Google search reveals that the purported eyewitness, Larisa Sotieva, is a humanitarian worker and self-described "Ossetian" who has previously issued reports neutral or pro-separatist (that is to say, sympathetic to the Kremlin) about Chechen matters.

Nothing more pathetic than those who lap up the propaganda of tyrants and ask for another serving.

14 posted on 08/28/2008 5:32:15 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: F-117A

All you are doing with your Putin suck-ups is eliminating a lot of pro-Serb sentiment on FR. Any more, I could care less what happens in your neighborhood.


15 posted on 08/28/2008 5:33:44 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: reaganixonbush
Any news articles by the “Axis of Evil”: Reuters, AP, Guardian UK, NYT, LAT and WAPO are all suspect.

Guess you'll have to add the weekly Standard to your list.

Georgia has produced strong leaders. Stalin, Beria, Gamsakhurdia. Even Shevardnadze, before he got addicted to power. They looked beyond Georgia. My husband does the same; he fits in the tradition. This country needs a strong hand. It is incredibly important that respect for authority returns. That laws are less frequently broken, that people simply pay their bills for once. There is hardly a sense of responsibility here. . . . I think my husband is the right person to frighten people. That is not to say it is immediately fascism or something. Should he develop extremist traits he will be alerted to that. All eyes are looking at us now.
-- Sandra Roelof aka Mrs. Saakashvili
16 posted on 08/28/2008 6:17:02 AM PDT by F-117A (Ne nuntium necare)
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To: dirtboy

Sounds like the “Green Helmet Guy” from Lebanon...:)

I really appreciated that article, it provided a depth of historical context that the media couldn’t be bothered to give.

Part of it I understand, and it is a weakness of our republic: Many in our electorate have the attention span of a squirrel on expresso trying to run across a road.


17 posted on 08/28/2008 8:41:00 AM PDT by rlmorel (If they can call George "Dubya", we can call Barack "Hussein")
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To: reaganixonbush
Here are some better articles.

The West is ideologically divided.

Georgia invasion 'planned since April'

South Ossetia separatists rejects talks with Georgia

The Truth About Russia in Georgia [Michael Totten]

18 posted on 08/28/2008 10:13:11 AM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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