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Russian threat to Nato supply route in Afghanistan
TimesOnline ^ | August, 26, 2008 | Jeremy Page (in Kabul)

Posted on 08/26/2008 7:49:24 PM PDT by F-117A

Russia played a trump card in its strategic poker game with the West yesterday by threatening to suspend an agreement allowing Nato (sic) to take supplies and equipment to Afghanistan through Russia and Central Asia.

The agreement was struck at a Nato (sic) summit in April to provide an alternative supply route to the road between the Afghan capital and the Pakistani border, which has come under attack from militants on both sides of the frontier this year.
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Mr Kabulov also suggested that the stand-off over Georgia could lead Russia to review agreements allowing Nato (sic) members to use Russian airspace and to maintain bases in the former Soviet Central Asian states of Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: afghabistan; afghanistan; geopolitics; nato; russia; supplylines
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To: rmlew

Excellent, but chilling analysis!


21 posted on 08/26/2008 9:31:23 PM PDT by F-117A (Ne nuntium necare)
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To: F-117A; All
And just how do supplies get to our troops in Afghanistan?
22 posted on 08/26/2008 9:42:42 PM PDT by F-117A (Ne nuntium necare)
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To: rmlew

http://nycright.blogspot.com/2005/10/eurasian-geo-political-earthquake.html

And your solution would be ....


23 posted on 08/26/2008 9:49:04 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (A kid at McDonalds has more real-world work experience than Barack Hussein.)
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To: mamelukesabre
This may also impact on those countries.

Collective Security Treaty Organization

The charter reaffirmed the desire of all participating states to abstain from the use or threat of force. Signatories would not be able to join other military alliances or other groups of states, while aggression against one signatory would be perceived as an aggression against all.

24 posted on 08/26/2008 9:54:12 PM PDT by F-117A (Ne nuntium necare)
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To: rmlew

“In October 2007, the CSTO signed an agreement with the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), in the Tajik capital Dushanbe, to broaden cooperation on issues such as security, crime, and drug trafficking.”


25 posted on 08/26/2008 9:57:09 PM PDT by F-117A (Ne nuntium necare)
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To: VeniVidiVici
1. Promote nuclear power, fund hydrogen or other battery reserach, and limited biofules to reduce our dependence on oil. In the short term, drill. Sieze the entire oil bed on the Florida-Cuban border.

2. Remind Russia that they are a cauldron of ethnicities, and occupy parts of Finland, Germany, and Japan.
3. Continue to court India.
4. End "free trade" with China Russia and other dictatorships. It is bad economics and worse international politics to move factories from the US to China.
5. Arm the Sudanese blacks being ethnically cleansed by the Chinese backed Islamist regime.
6. Attack Iran, in concert with the Arab Gulf nations.
26 posted on 08/26/2008 10:04:29 PM PDT by rmlew (NYARLATHOTEP / BIDEN'08 . If you don't believe me check out the first's wikipedia page.)
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To: rmlew

I like your list. But I’d put your item number six up higher on the list, right after your item number 1.


27 posted on 08/26/2008 10:34:05 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: rmlew
Attack Iran, in concert with the Arab Gulf nations.

Are you going to lead the attack there Old Boy??

Or, rather, are thinking about getting us in a condition where we are a "Bridge Too Far"??

28 posted on 08/27/2008 2:47:29 AM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

I doubt it.


29 posted on 08/27/2008 5:09:25 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: F-117A; mamelukesabre
That, unfortunately, is something we will never know!

Then why can we assume that Russia attacked Georgia because of Kosovo? Another comment above has it correct. It's simply being used as an excuse for Russian behavior.

30 posted on 08/27/2008 5:13:13 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; mamelukesabre
Then why can we assume that Russia attacked Georgia because of Kosovo?

You are free to assume whatever you want. Russia responded to the Georgian attack on their peacekeepers and citizens.

Kosovo set a precedent that has provided encouragement to independence movements around the world. It also has provided encouragement for governments that want to be their benefactors.

31 posted on 08/27/2008 7:59:26 AM PDT by F-117A (Ne nuntium necare)
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To: F-117A
But you are only assuming what favors your argument. You started with your conclusion (Russia was entitled to do what it did because of Kosovo), and worked your way backward.

When I asked you whether Russia would have done what it did in the absence of Kosovo (and historical evidence clearly allows that assumption), you dug in your heels and started blathering something about "something you will never know."

Incidentally, that, and toeing the Kremlin line about who attacked whom makes it pretty clear that you don't give a damn about what happened in Kosovo, either. You are just trying to excuse the Russians' behavior.

32 posted on 08/27/2008 8:34:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: F-117A
Well, we need to have a back up plan, or a plant to pull a Xenophon, soon.

Pakistan is going to go hard Islamic, cutting off our guys behind three hostile states.

33 posted on 08/27/2008 3:26:15 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
Are you going to lead the attack there Old Boy??
Sadly, no. Medical conditions prevent me from joining the military. Besides, I volunteered in December 01, so even if I had joined the Air Force, I'd be a mid-level NCO or, possibly a Lieutenant, if I had then gone to OCS. This would be the job of a Theater Commander (4 Star General). Currently that would be General David Petraeus. Any other snotty remarks?

, rather, are thinking about getting us in a condition where we are a "Bridge Too Far"??
Did I call for an airborne assault across a river onto an non-reconnoitered territory occupied by a an enemy armored division?

An attack on Iran would be air force and Navy, designed to take out C4I, the Iranian navy, Iran's land based anti-ship missiles, its air defense system, and the nuclear and ICBM development and manufacturing facilities.
If you wish to argue that this leaves us over deployed and vulnerable to increased unconventional (or if the Iranians army is suicidal) conventional attacks on our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, I agree. But the alternative is worse. Best case scenario is the US is pushed out of the region and Iran takes over. Other fun scenarios include the current Arab nuclear programs, leading to a general nuclear arms race in an unstable region, full of terrorists who want to kill us. As an American and Manhattanite, that is just unacceptable.

34 posted on 08/27/2008 3:42:06 PM PDT by rmlew (NYARLATHOTEP / BIDEN'08 . If you don't believe me check out the first's wikipedia page.)
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To: 1rudeboy; F-117A

I was just listening to a russian immigrant explain that the russian people threw their support behind putin precisely because of clinton’s little foray into yugoslavia. Apparently, clinton cut a deal with the russians to make the yugoslavia police action a joint USA-russia thing. Then we got our boots their first and when the russians showed up, clinton blocked their entry and sent them back home in disgrace.

The russian people were so upset over it, they threw their support behind putin.

Then when the kososvo separation thing was approved by the USA, putin felt obligated to do something drastic. He felt is was his duty to his countrymen to do something to regain russian pride. The people put so much trust in him that they allowed him to remain in government in some capacity other than president.

This is the opinion of a russian-american citizen. So according to a russian, the georgia invasion is EXACTLY a retaliation against america for the disgrace they suffered in yugoslavia.


35 posted on 08/27/2008 4:14:55 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre
Right. So have the Russian immigrant explain his reasoning: Kosovo was not ok, but Georgia is ok--so does that make Kosovo ok, now?
36 posted on 08/27/2008 5:10:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I don’t think he was agreeing with it or trying to justify it. I think he was just trying to make an american understand how the situation in georgia came to be. This was my interpretation of his dialog anyway.


37 posted on 08/27/2008 6:26:34 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

That’s fine. Some people get their rocks off when they think the US is getting poked in the eye. I get it.


38 posted on 08/27/2008 6:31:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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