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To: WilliamReading

I am not Catholic, so I don’t understand this. Each Archbishop has the choice whether to offer communion to a pro-choice Catholic?

In Denver , an “abortion rights” Catholic cannot take communion, but in San Francisco and Chicago you can?


2 posted on 08/26/2008 7:29:37 AM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading

They should not take it nor be given it. Period.


3 posted on 08/26/2008 7:35:13 AM PDT by Bigoleelephant (Lawyers are to America what lead was to Rome.)
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To: WilliamReading
I am not Catholic, so I don’t understand this. Each Archbishop has the choice whether to offer communion to a pro-choice Catholic?

Yes... and no. Canon Law is pretty clear regarding this situation. However, a Bishop is the authority in his diocese and can choose to erroneously ignore the strictures.

For reference:

1] “Why should the Church deny the Eucharist to hundreds of ‘Catholic’ pro abortion politicians?”

Answer: The Catholic Church condemns abortion, euthanasia, sodomy, cloning, embryonic stem cell research, as well as other attacks against the sanctity of life and the family. It is the obligation of the bishop to follow canon law. Canon Law n.915 mandates the denial of Communion to all “manifest, obstinate, persistent sinners,” including but not exclusive to politicians.

Canon 915 not only protects the Eucharist from sacrilegious reception, but also prevents the faithful from sorrowful scandal.

It’s important to understand what ‘manifest, obstinate, persistent’ means. Many wrongly think it applies only to politicians. This is not so.

If a Catholic is a ‘manifest’ sinner, that means he is ‘known,’ or ‘public.’ This must be differentiated from the Catholics who are in the state of ‘private’ grave sin, to whom their sin is known only to themselves and God. The private grave sinner cannot be denied the Eucharist because their sin is unknown to the bishop, to his priests, and his ministers of the Eucharist.

If a Catholic is gravely ‘manifest’ and ‘obstinate’ in his sin, that means he pigheadedly continues to ‘persist’ or ‘stand firm’ in grave sin that is ‘public’ in nature and causes scandal to others. This is quite different from those who persist in ‘private’ sin.

‘Catholic’ pro-abortion politicians are certainly manifest, obstinate and persistent sinners and they are thus subject to the provisions of c.915.

Source: http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=989

4 posted on 08/26/2008 7:41:39 AM PDT by pgyanke (Public "servants" have decided it's their job to use the public's money to fight the public)
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To: WilliamReading
Each Archbishop has the choice whether to offer communion to a pro-choice Catholic?

The rules are pretty clear. Some bishops are men, and men of God, and enforce the rules. Others ...

5 posted on 08/26/2008 7:43:38 AM PDT by Campion
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A Bishop has authority only over what takes place in his own diocese. Bishops are answerable to the Pope, not to one another. The cowardice that you are seeing exhibited today by some Bishops who allow the mockery of the Eucharist by the Pelosi's, Kerry's and Biden's of the world serves to reaffirm what St. Athanasius wrote so many centuries ago:

"The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops."

6 posted on 08/26/2008 7:45:00 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: WilliamReading
WilliamReading asked:

I am not Catholic, so I don’t understand this. Each Archbishop has the choice whether to offer communion to a pro-choice Catholic?

In Denver , an “abortion rights” Catholic cannot take communion, but in San Francisco and Chicago you can?

The rule of thumb on this matter is, you can't be Catholic if you are pro-abortion. People who are not Catholics should not be taking Communion. Biden has excommunicated himself from the RC Church for politically supporting abortion. Here's a couple of passages from the Catholic Catechism on the matter:

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," "by the very commission of the offense," and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

2322 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3), gravely contrary to the moral law. The Church imposes the canonical penalty of excommunication for this crime against human life.

If Biden sincerely stops supporting abortion and repents for this mortal sin, he can start attending Mass and receiving Communion.

7 posted on 08/26/2008 7:50:24 AM PDT by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: WilliamReading

Sadly, we’re all over the map. “Father” Pfleger would probably perform an abortion and then say Mass.


8 posted on 08/26/2008 7:53:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: WilliamReading
Your confusion is understandable. To me, it is as clear as daylight that the vacillating bishops who are in violation of Canon Law. In other words. the Church (via the Catechism and the Canon Law) is right, and compromising/vacillating bishops are wrong.

Canon 1398 is clear: "A person who actually procures an abortion incurs an automatic excommunication," the canon states. Abortion is intrinsically evil as an act, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church rightly teaches in paragraph 2271 that abortion "is gravely contrary to the moral law" and an "abominable crime."

With regard to those who perform, promote, fund, or are accessories to the practice of abortion, the second paragraph of Canon 1329 already provides for their automatic excommunication as accomplices who, "without their assistance, the crime would not have been committed ..."

It is clear to me that a man or woman who holds political power, who either legalizes of "enables" abortion, especially one who votes against restricting it, or votes in favor of funding it, qualifies as an accomplice and thus comes under canonical excommunication.

All that is needed, is that Catholics in large numbers start acting like Catholics. What a cause for rejoicing that would be!

33 posted on 08/27/2008 10:03:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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