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To: BlueSun
... So, ironically, Pelosi’s position is in agreement with Catholic and general Christian dogma for 95% of the existince of Christianity, while the idea of ensoulment at conception is a very recent change in the official dogma. ...

Summing it up- pelosi disagrees with current Catholic and general Christian dogma and is clutching onto anything in the past that would support murdering unborn children.

87 posted on 08/25/2008 10:20:41 AM PDT by new cruelty (don't believe the hype)
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To: new cruelty

You have the unfortunate tendency to put words in others’ mouths to change their meaning when their arguments do not support your own belief. How convenient for you.

I was just pointing out that Christians throughout history have disagreed and debated when a fetus is ensouled and when or whether abortion is or is not murder. Pelosi is within that tradition. In fact, if it weren’t for a deal made by Pius IX and Napolean III, to get Napolean’s endorsement of Papal Infallibility, it is not totally beyond the ken that the Church would STILL not consider abortion to be murder during the first four months or so.

It is you who miss the entire point - that for 1869 years, the official Catholic position was that abortion before ensoulment WAS NOT MURDERING UNBORN CHILDREN.

In fact, the penance for abortion (which was sometimes treated as a minor sin against marriage) was the same as for masturbation, and far, far less than that of ‘serious’ sins like adultery.

You can use emotionally-laden words to cover up the fact that you are not offering a reasoned rebuttal to my post (which came straight from the website of the Catholic University of America, BTW). Please try to stick to reason and facts, and not just jingoism.

BTW, I am not totally unfamiliar with Christian theology, or that of the other major religions, as I once was an associate professor of Comparative Religions at a major western university before I gave up teaching, frustrated by the intellectual laziness, as well as the low intellectual quality of too many of the students.


93 posted on 08/25/2008 11:01:54 AM PDT by BlueSun ("When good does evil in its struggle against evil, it becomes indistinguishable from its enemy.”)
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To: new cruelty

Given that at least Evangelical Christians believe in the inerrancy of a 2,000 year old book (and the history of interpretation given to it by two millenia of Christian scholars), your willingness to diss pelosi for “clutching onto anything in the past that would “support murdering unborn children” is astonishing. So you would dismiss St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas as well as 1,900 years of Christian dogma as merely “anything in the past” supporting murder. Interrrrrresting....

Did Christianity just erupt out of the ether in the past century? By the way, the past history of Christianity DOES NOT support murdering unborn children, it explains why abortion before ensoulment at quickening is NOT MURDERING UNBORN CHILDREN.

Sheesh, try to read for context next time.


94 posted on 08/25/2008 11:01:54 AM PDT by BlueSun ("When good does evil in its struggle against evil, it becomes indistinguishable from its enemy.”)
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