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The Russian power play on oil, natural gas reserves
Boston Globe ^ | August 23, 2008 | Marshall I. Goldman

Posted on 08/24/2008 11:00:04 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Russia today has become more powerful relative to Europe than it has been since Napoleon, a situation that is all but certain to make the Europeans less willing than the United States to challenge Russian policies. Energy may accomplish for the Russians what the Soviet and Russian armies by themselves could not.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: energy; gasputin; geopolitics; georgia; naturalgas; oil; russia
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1 posted on 08/24/2008 11:00:08 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Glad to see someone has finally figured it out.

The same people who own the Anti-Georgian propaganda site “war.georgia.su” (note the “.su”) also own “armenia.su” and “azerbaijan.su”.

Vlad isn’t done yet.


2 posted on 08/24/2008 11:05:45 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Russia would never do that. Only the U.S. goes to war for oil.

Don’t worry, the Dems have it all figured out with windmills and solar panels. If I were you, I’d invest in both, since the Dems already have. And they control Congress.


3 posted on 08/24/2008 11:10:56 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Boycott Washington D.C. until they allow gun ownership)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Meanwhile, their Fifth Column is winning battles here in the U.S.: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2067169/posts
4 posted on 08/24/2008 11:16:42 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan; All
This is precisely why Europe should get busy with their own energy policies.
1) Build Nuclear Power Plants
2) Explore for oil wherever they can
3) Energy Efficiency Yes this is overrated but helps a little
4) Explore and develop GTL and CTL technologies for transportation purposes.
5) Don't waste too much time with wind and solar. Those two sources will never amount to more than just a few percent of their energy requirements.
5 posted on 08/24/2008 11:30:45 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Bump for later reading


6 posted on 08/24/2008 11:52:51 AM PDT by MattinNJ (I would really, really love to depose Obama.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
"The same people who own the Anti-Georgian propaganda site “war.Georgia.su” (note the “.su”) also own “Armenia.su” and “Azerbaijan.su”."

Wanna play follow the pipeline???



Recently a new pipeline, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC)
pipeline was completed in 2005.
$5 billion was invested by British Petroleum (BP).
(I wonder if BP ever gets tired of the Russians ripping them off?)

The new pipeline can transport a million barrels of oil a day from the Sangachal terminal
in Azerbaijan to a newly constructed marine terminal in
Ceyhan on the Turkish Mediterranean coast. It is one of the
longest pipelines in the world.

The South Caucasus gas Pipeline (SCP), completed in 2006,
will carry natural gas from the Shah Deniz field in the
Caspian Sea to customers in Georgia, Turkey and Azerbaijan.
The gas supplied through SCP represents energy security and
Independence for Georgia. Georgia’s volumes will build up
to 800 million cubic meters of gas at peak production.

The Black Sea ports of Poti and Batumi are key links in
the TRACECA (Transportation Corridor – Europe, Caucasus,
and Asia)trade route.

The location of the ports for shipment to other western countries?

POTI.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=turkey&ie=UTF8&ll=42.15421,41.658998&spn=0.022334,0.035748&t=h&z=15
7 posted on 08/24/2008 11:53:11 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Words and Music by John Kay

What gives you the right hey you
To stand there and tell me what to do
Tell me who gave you the power
To stop me from livin’ like I do
Remember if you plan to stay
Those who give can take away
Don’t bite the hand that feeds you

Just one time I’d like to be somewhere where
None of your clever lies fill the air
I’m tired of your frozen smile and your voice of tin
Just might all gang up on you
Turn the knob and do you in

Remember if you plan to stay
Those who give can take away.
Don’t bite the hand that feeds you

This never ending power play
“Tween Jealous greed and vicious hate
Is grinding us like giant millstones
But it can’t be our only fate
It’s time we got our heads together
And let’em know that we’re awake

Those in the dark, you know they’re no longer blind
They’re breakin’ from your strangle hold on their minds
Those that can see don’t need no one to cross the street
Be careful who you’re pushin’ round
They just might find you obsolete

Remember if you plan to stay
Those who give can take away.
Don’t bite the hand that feeds you


8 posted on 08/24/2008 12:53:10 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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The Democrat "No Domestic Energy Policy!"

All of that puts the U.S. in a position that war for oil or
complete economic collapse will be our only choices.
You can't frustrate every source of domestic energy
without consequences. Our enemies will blackmail us
to the extent that we are vulnerable to blackmail.

The Democrats are leading us into a real war for oil.
A war we won't have the energy to fight.

9 posted on 08/24/2008 1:10:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan; NormsRevenge; elhombrelibre; Allegra; SandRat; tobyhill; G8 Diplomat; Dog; ...
Related thread:

Russia's oil boom may be running on empty

10 posted on 08/24/2008 1:11:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: truthguy
Nancy won't like what you are saying....related thread:

Pelosi says case needed for U.S. offshore drilling

*****************EXCERPT INTRO*********************

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Sunday that expanded oil drilling in federal waters could be included in a broader energy bill if advocates can prove its viability as a solution to America's energy problems.

11 posted on 08/24/2008 1:14:39 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All
Nancy won't like what you are saying....related thread:

Look we all know that Pelosi is as dumb as a box of rocks. That's not what bothers me. It's that a very large number of people vote for her. True her district is lunatic central but many of the people voting for her are not STUPID per se. These are people who are rather successful. There are very wealthy people in her district who cannot be classified as stupid. So what gives? Well it would take a book to explain the phoemonom of otherwise intelligent people voting for idiots like Pelosi. Maybe some of you Freepers have some ideas.
12 posted on 08/24/2008 1:47:27 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Looks like you're ready to read my next book.

This one's an easy read! :-)

13 posted on 08/24/2008 2:13:13 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: truthguy
Well it would take a book to explain the phoemonom of otherwise intelligent people voting for idiots like Pelosi. Maybe some of you Freepers have some ideas.

Already wrote that one.

14 posted on 08/24/2008 2:14:41 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: TigersEye; Dog Gone; thackney; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER
"The Democrat "No Domestic Energy Policy!""

How totally and profoundly correct your summation is!!!

15 posted on 08/24/2008 6:01:57 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not against the environment, just GovernMental EnvironMentalism!!! (our new state religion))
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To: SierraWasp
Thank you. I came up with it about a month or more ago. It seemed clear to me that we're getting boxed in more and more. The heck of it is it is our own Congress, mostly Dems, that are doing the boxing in.

Now I think the Russians have put the exclamation mark on the point I was making. If you have no economic clout, and in fact are a dependent for the most fundamental commodity of all, there is nothing left to leverage your position except military aggression. As a nation that wants to use force only for defense and not for gain that puts us in a very weak position.

16 posted on 08/24/2008 6:28:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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The Democrats are leading us into a real war for oil. A war we won't have the energy to fight.

Yessiree Bob. That nails it to the friggin' wall.

17 posted on 08/24/2008 6:36:15 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: truthguy
3) Energy Efficiency Yes this is overrated but helps a little

Sorry, but this is bull. Energy efficiency is overrated when it comes to blenders and electric toothbrushes, granted. However, 90% of existing buildings could reduce their heating bills by 50%, just by updating to 21st century insulation. And that is quite a lot of oil / natural gas you can use elsewhere.

5) Don't waste too much time with wind and solar.

Why not let the market decide? If someone saves money by installing a solar water heater at home or solar panels on an office building coupled to the air conditioning, there's nothing wrong with that. The specific case is what matters, the market will sort out the rest.
18 posted on 08/25/2008 6:31:46 AM PDT by wolf78
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To: BOBTHENAILER

It just seemed obvious to me. I guess a lot of couch potatoes out there want to wait and see if Russia, China and the ME won’t just settle down and decide we all need to get along. Or they think it’s just a matter of harnessing all that used vegetable oil. I dunno.


19 posted on 08/25/2008 8:32:15 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: wolf78
Wolfie, you really need to read more carefully. I was talking about Europe and not the United States as I believed you inferred. Energy efficiency is in fact OVERRATED! The figure that you stated that 90% of all buildings could save 50% is bogus. I don't know where you got that number but it's in doubt whether that number is valid in Europe. The Europeans have always paid more for energy so I would imagine that they have already done a good deal in the area of energy efficiency already. They have picked the low lying fruit. New construction is already very efficient in most cases. Very few low efficiency buildings are build anymore.
As far as letting markets decide your comments are a joke. The Europeans have subsidized Solar and Wind to a ludicrous extent. Markets aren't deciding, European bureaucrats are deciding. The markets would have killed off solar and wind a long time ago. Solar doesn't work at night or on cloudy or rainy days which Europe has a ton of. Wind is also very unreliable. The best they can do with wind is 30% up time. There is also tremendous maintenance with wind energy as the Dutch are starting to find with their Windmills along the coast. See the Dutch never calculated what the salt air would do to their precious Windmills. It's a lot tougher on the big metal and composite ones than the old wood water pumping ones they used to use.
20 posted on 08/25/2008 10:02:06 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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